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submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by Rikj000@discuss.tchncs.de to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

Am I the only one getting agitated by the word AI (Artificial Intelligence)?

Real AI does not exist yet,
atm we only have LLMs (Large Language Models),
which do not think on their own,
but pass turing tests
(fool humans into thinking that they can think).

Imo AI is just a marketing buzzword,
created by rich capitalistic a-holes,
who already invested in LLM stocks,
and now are looking for a profit.

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[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee -3 points 8 months ago

Of course we have “real” AI. We can literally be surprised while talking to these things.

People who claim it’s not general AI consistently, 100% of the time, fail to answer this question: what can a human mind do that these cannot?

In precise terms. You say “a human mind can understand” then I need a precise technical definition of “understand”. Because the people making this claim that “it’s not general AI” are always trying to wave their own flag of technical expertise. So, in technical terms, what can a general AI do, that an LLM cannot?

[-] Vlyn@lemmy.zip 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Go and tell your LLM to click a button, or log into your Amazon account, or send an email, or do literally anything that's an action. I'm waiting.

A 4 year old has more agency than your "AI" nowadays. LLMs are awesome at spitting out text, but they aren't true AI.

Edit: I should add, LLMs only work with input. If there's no input there is no output. So whatever you put in there, it will just sit there forever doing nothing until you give it an input again. It's much closer to a mathematical function than any kind of intelligence that has its own motivation and can act on its own.

[-] liwott@nerdica.net 1 points 8 months ago

@Vlyn
@intensely_human

send an email

chatGPT can explain me what to do in cli to send an e-mail. Give it access to a cli and an internet connection and it will be able to do it itself

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago

Exactly. Someone demonstrated an “AI that can turn on your lights” and then had a script checking for output like {turnOnLights} and translating that to API calls

[-] Vlyn@lemmy.zip 0 points 8 months ago

Which again is literally just text and nothing more.

No matter how sophisticated ChatGPT gets, it will never be able to send the email itself. Of course you could pipe the output of ChatGPT into a cli, then tell ChatGPT to only write bash commands (or whatever you use) with every single detail involved and then it could possibly send an email (if you're lucky and it only uses valid commands and literally no other text in the output).

But you can never just tell it: Send an email about x, here is my login and password, send it to whatever@email.com with the subject y.

Not going to work.

[-] liwott@nerdica.net 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

All it lacks is an API that allows it to send commands. This is not a limitation of its intelligence, if it "knows" when to put text in a bash codebox, it will know when to send an API call.

Ask your brain to click a button, it cannot either, all it does is sending and receiving electric signals. Fortunately, it is surrounded by a body that reacts to these signals.

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