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State owned public housing has worked all around the world. Council houses in the UK for example looked good and helped lots of people get houses, and didn't really get associated with poor people until Thatcher and her shitty policies. In Finland, like a third of their housing is public housing and they've managed to essentially eliminate homelessness this way.
I mean... it's probably better than homeless, especially in cold climates, I'll give you that. But it's not great, neither here nor in Europe.
Having a sense of ownership is an important factor in motivating people to take care of their place of residence. Plenty of renters trash their apartments too.
And plenty of home owning people trash their homes, too. I think it's just how some people are with their shelter ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ . Check out the show Hoarders, for example.
Meanwhile, plenty of renters take care of their place because it's where they live. I take care of my rented apartment more than my fucking landlord does, and he supposedly owns it. It's supposed to be his only job to call people to fix things when I bring it up or point out an issue while it's still small, yet it still is a coin toss whether someone will show up or not. I don't think the categories are so easily placed.
Yes, and I'm sure not all people who live in public housing trash their apartments, but it seems to be more common there than with renters, and more common with renters than with homeowners. And it seems to me that perhaps it's a matter of appreciation — the less you have to work for something, the less you tend to appreciate having it.
For instance, a lot of people only start appreciating being in good health once they've gone and ruined it, they don't start exercising until they're already overweight, they don't appreciate having a job until they're unemployed, etc.
Please note that this is NOT an argument against housing homeless people — it's only an argument against the idea that some sort of collective action would somehow be able to do the most justice to the most people. That is rarely, if ever, the case. If history shows anything, it's that the larger the collective action, the more injustice it tends to cause, regardless of intention.