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I've found the opposite.
A lot of people don't understand just how paperthin those walls are or they come from an environment of "there will be noise". If someone actually, politely, asks them to keep it down during reasonable hours, then people usually will.
The issue is when people pound on the door as though the noise maker is the greatest asshole ever. That triggers spite. Same with unreasonable demands.
Like, if someone asks me to keep it down at 10 PM? I will apologize like hell and turn it down. You ask me to keep it down at 9 am? I will probably tell you to go fuck yourself and explain that you live in an apartment building and there is going to be noise.
Fun story time! One of my exes was very much "the loud neighbor". Clomping around in heavy slippers at all hours of the night, playing loud music, turning up her tv, having a subwoofer in an apartment, etc. After I realized and felt bad I had an awkward talk like "hey... have any of your neighbors ever complained? Because if this were my apartment they would hear this god awful lawyer show from the lobby". She didn't believe me so I told her to just step out into the hallway and then she was MORTIFIED. Immediately turned down everything and unplugged the sub. Even wrote up a nice letter that she taped on all her neighbors' doors to apologize.
Within a week there had been a complaint filed against her for "vandalizing" someone's door... by taping an apology note on there.
Good times.
Ah yes, YTA then.
I know it is fun to sleep in on a weekend but 9 am is very much "waking hours". It is also when kids are up and bouncing around because saturday morning cartoons are on (... do kids still watch digimon? probably not) and people are getting started on the long projects that take all day.
Because they are just as entitled to live in their space as you are.
I dunno. I was raised that 2200-0800 are "quiet time", regardless of the day of the week. Outside of that? Try not to be an asshole but... people gotta live. That said, if I know a neighbor just had a kid or something I tend to make that closer to 2100-0800. But people got stuff to do.
If you need more than that? I have seen an increasing number of "quiet" apartment complexes where everyone is expected to wear headphones and... those sound miserable to me but you do you. Also, sound insulation is not THAT expensive and is a potentially good choice for the people who want to sleep until noon.
Property developers will do literally anything but invest 2 €/m² in decent sound insulation. What the hell.
Soundproofing should be just as mandatory as fireproofing, it's such a stupid problem to be having and it's one of the main drivers causing people to flee to single family homes which is a whole environmental and socioeconomic catastrophe.
The issue is that insulated walls make everything harder. Piping, wiring, etc. So any upgrade gets a lot more tedious (so expensive) and any repair similarly costs more. I also imagine a lot of property developers/construction firms are still wary after Asbestos and are just waiting for the shoe to drop on "Little Timmy poked a hole in the wall and started eating the cotton candy and died".
It also matters a lot less because of global warming but insulation also has strong implications on climate control where the idea is for the sunny side to diffuse heat to the shaded side of the building and so forth.
And I still generally don't think it is a major issue. Maybe it was city living for a few years but people generally are good about not being loud outside of "waking hours". Sure you might hear some moaning and creaking through the wall but most people aren't into vigorous tantric sex so that lasts 30 minutes at the worst. Yes, sometimes you do get that obnoxious asshole who spends every night composing a symphony. But most people who are loud just genuinely don't know they are being loud because nobody has ever talked to them.
The one time I did live near a hell neighbor? I just went down to the hardware store and bought some sound baffling and put it up in my bedroom with bluetack. Didn't cost much and I assume it has gotten even cheaper now that everyone and their mother is A Streamer.
Yet your attitude to this is to tell anyone who dares approach you to "go fuck themselves". Huh
9am isn't early.
Full on heavy duty power tools at 9AM are perfectly valid and it's impossible for anyone but the person complaining to be the asshole.
It's the attitude if someone asks you not to pump the bass through the floors. You chose to live among people; don't treat them like cunts.
You choose to live near people. You don't get to complain that they are using their space.
You are not entitled to force other people to live in silence.
No one said the latter. There are rules against noise which covers the former.
I've seen tape rip paint off when it's removed. The door has to be removed, sanded back (the entire door, not just where the tape was... because door paint fades and you can't match the color). A door needs three coats of hard wearing slow drying paint - has to dry overnight between coats... making it a four day job.
Worst of all, the door has to be horizontal while the paint dries - so that's four days with no front door. Not an option. They will usually just replace the door and that can cost thousands (but at least it won't leave you without a front door for days).
If you want to leave a note for someone - use the letterbox.
Yeah see that shit just isn't worth it. I had a neighbour threaten to pour milk into a work colleague's car door once. Car doors are full of noise insulation material that would have soaked up the milk and gone mouldy/started to stink. Costs a fortune to fix that.
Best thing to do in my opinion is call the police, anonymously. If it's not worth a formal complaint then it's not worth complaining at all.
Car doors are hollow mate.
How do you expect all the mechanisms for door locking/unlocking/opening and windows to fit in there?
Might be some rubber sound deading mat stuck to one side on a really high in car, but theres nothing absorptive inside the door.
There generally is foam in a car door. If only because it is cheap structural support with the side effect of temperature and sound insulation. You can see this any time someone cuts a car door in half (which is shockingly common on youtube because junkyards sell shit for cheap).
That said, there is usually a layer of metal between that and the drainage space because... it is a drainage space.
What they are probably confused by is that there IS a motor in there (to move the window) and rotten milk could potentially adhere to gears and what nots. But that also is why you have the rubber gaskety bit on the sides of the windows. To minimize the amount of liquid that gets in there.
So if your car is fucked to the point that someone can pour milk down your window? Then just hose it off. And then fix the weather stripping.
I am sure there are cars that don't have any barrier between insulation/electronics and the drainage space (my money is on said cars being sold by a manufacturer that starts with a T...). But the vast majority do because... of obvious reasons.
I don't know where you're from, but the vast majority of cars in the US have hollow doors. The only exceptions might be expensive luxury cars. There is no foam in them. If you poured milk in them it would most likely drain out of small holes in the bottom, although it might splash & stick to some of the internal components and make a smell.
I put a note on a neighbors door about her dog that was scratching at the door, and making the door wobble, which made the whole building shake. She put a note taped to her own door rambling about abuse and how she would call the police, etc.
When she was eventually evicted, they had to tear up the entire place, leaving the windows open to air out for over a month before they could rent it again.
Maybe who complained for the apology note prefers a good shotgun to solve his/her neighborhood matters
The fuck is wrong with you?
Just joking. take it easy.
I mean, the person who filed that complaint must not be very well if feels annoyed by an apology note.