Yeah, sorry for oversimplifying. I worked in IT resellers for years and am acutely aware of all the different roles, and even specializations within that. The irony is back then (20 years) you'd get walked around the halls and introd to "the networking guy," "procurement for paper and toner," "Mike who needs components for the pbx; or the as400" - I had a thing for everyone from data centers to keyboards.. but "oh, those are the software guys.. they don't buy stuff" - today it's a devtools man's world. Everything is for the software guys! (Having said that, my friends that grew into devops are finding new (old) opportunities managing actual on site data centers and co-los more often as the unit economics of AWS, gcp, azure, etc haven't panned out as hoped)