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Shooting Down 11 Jets In 11 Days, Ukraine Nudges The Russian Air Force Closer To Organizational Death-Spiral (www.forbes.com)

submitted 10 months ago by machinin@lemmy.world to c/ukraine@sopuli.xyz

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An overview of the recent losses by the Russian air force and overall situation for their readiness. Kind of a follow-up on some questions I asked on other posts here.

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[-] Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 23 points 10 months ago

S-200 can do that distance though. Has a range out to 150 miles. They're gigantic.

[+] NoiseColor@startrek.website -11 points 10 months ago

Yes, I'm just surprised they still have those. They are really in a bad shape right now and these few downed airplanes don't mean much.

[-] machinin@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago

these few downed airplanes don't mean much

The article is talking about a possible death spiral of the Russian air force. I think that means something.

[+] NoiseColor@startrek.website -16 points 10 months ago

A lot of hopium. Same stuff we heard since the start of the war. First it was food, then equipment, then shells, troops, missiles,... And looking at the the Russian army today it's fed, well equipped, as many shells as they need, new drones, missiles in production, planes in production. Not to mention new motivation as they see the west faltering in their resolve to help Ukraine. Russia is in war economy, unfortunately it's not running out of anything anytime soon. They are not that stupid and will adapt if the losses become unmanageable.

[-] machinin@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

I guess if you just ignore the fact that Ukraine has downed 11 (+?) planes in the past 11 days, maybe you could call that sentiment hopium.

I do agree, things aren't looking great with the US (not the whole West, by the way) delaying aid. But what was supposedly the second greatest military in the world is stuck in a quagmire with a neighboring country a fraction of its size. They are making only minor progress at enormous cost.

It's a waiting game. Neither of us have the facts about what is actually happening with the Russian military or economy. Saying that, I don't think you can dismiss the recent losses by Russia as insignificant.

[-] NoiseColor@startrek.website -4 points 10 months ago

I'm not ignoring these legit military successes, I'm saying that we can't expect them to continue until Russia is out of planes.

The fact that Ukraine has stood up to Russia for so long means nothing if they lose in the end. And right now Ukraine is losing. It's losing lives and land and its only losing because we in the west didnt and still don't fulfill our promises and our obligations and our leaders pussy foot around what weapons to send.

[-] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

The US only stopped sending as much aid because of Russian assets in Congress. Lame way of trying to make it seem like the Budapest accords weren't unilaterally violated by one of the signatories.