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Are G.O.P. Voters Tiring of the War on ‘Wokeness’?
(www.nytimes.com)
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As a conservative, I'm fine with some broad anti-'woke' policies, but banning how people dress is absurd, and the insane focus from some candidates is wild.
What does woke mean to you? Before it got hijacked it just meant being aware of problems in society.
Preferring races or sexuality, instructing students or pushing adults to treat different demographics differently.
Can you give a real-world example of this that doesn't reference pointless social media bickering?
What are "broad anti woke policies" to you?
Limiting public schools from pushing gender identity and sexuality on elementary students
Parental rights in the education system.
what about the parents that want their kids to learn the facts so that they have some empathy for their peers that are lgbtq+ or learn that they are ok being lgbtq+?
Then ya know....the parents should teach their kids that. It's not schools responsibility to push social ideologies, it's their jobs to help kids learn basic studies like math and reading.
How is learning something exists having it pushed on you?
Nobody is questioning existence, we just don't care for it being pushed at schools.
If I want my kid to learn solely about MAGA ideologies, should that be forced on every other kid in their class? Or, should I take some responsibility and teach my kids that myself?
Being gay or trans etc. is not an "ideology" wow
Agreed, but that's not my argument.
kids are gonna learn these things regardless, especially these days. its best to help them rather than hinder them. the ones that are lgbtq+ need to know they are fine and its ok for them to be who they are.
Why? Why not let kids learn about society by...ya know, being part of society. Over representing these issues in schools despite parents wanting schools to focus on education that helps the students future is just the government pushing their own values. That's what we don't want, the government just taking our kids and pushing their morals, that's literally what indian boarding schools were about.
How is telling kindergartners that they should cross dress helpful to our society?
Okay, so on day 1 teachers can say 'hey if you aren't straight or question gender, you're fine' then you'd be okay with it if the teachers never talked about sexuality and gender for the rest of the year?
Why shouldn't the teachers be telling young christian boys it's okay for them to be who they are?
Please name a public school that is "pushing gender identity and sexuality" on its elementary students. I would like to see evidence of this pushing.
Seattle public school district has programs that starting in Kindergarten, are teaching kids how to socially transition their gender
Every time I'm asked this, and show them the proof, their response is 'oh well what's wrong with that' - so if that's your response, you can just skip it.
Okay, how is that pushing anything? Where's the pushing? I asked for pushing, you give me "this is something that is possible."
Would you be saying the same thing if the k-5 education was about how much healthier and better off straight people are? Do you think teachers should spend health class saying how kids who think they're gay should be straight instead?
Does it literally say that trans people are healthier and better off than cis people? Please tell me which video and give me a timestamp. I'm not watching all of them just to find out that wasn't true.
The videos are telling kindergartners they'd be happier if they dress as the gender opposite of what they are.
Again- timestamp please. I am not going to watch every video just to prove you aren't lying.
You asked for a source, I provided a source, now you're saying 'oh poor me, I can't watch videos! oh well, not happening!'
Got it. You were lying.
So, I've only seen the kindergarten video so far. They define the words acceptance, compassion, gender, gender role, and unique. A kid came out as trans girl. A direct quote is: "I don't care if you're a boy Teddy or girl Teddy. What matters is that you're my friend."
I fail to see how this pushes children to be trans.
See, right there! At first it's 'no it's not happening anywhere!! then once we show you it is happening you say 'okay it's happening, but what's wrong with teaching kindergartners how to crossdress??'
Why teach kindergartners that cross dressing is fun, instead of, ya know, teaching kids useful stuff?
Our education system spends more per full time student than any other country in the world, but our test scores are shitty.
Do you think maybe there's be less push back about teachers trying to parent our kids, if the teachers actually showed they can teach our kids reasonably?
They're disagreeing that what you posted counts as pushing rather than just informing; that's not moving the goalposts, just disgareement.
And my argument is why any at all? If they want to be gay, idc. Why do teachers need to teach them to be gay?
There's a difference between teaching kids about gay people and teaching them to be gay
Yah so you are a bigot lol.
How so?
You can't handle that people are different than you and by having the school even mention them it sends you to a rage. It's religious grooming that fucked you up. Lots of parallel to racism. You know this thing called freedom means you won't always like everything to come of it. We put up with your stupid ass religious horse shit. You'll just have to deal with seeing gay people from time to time.
I love that people are different than me! I just don't value anyone higher than any other individual based on their race, sex or sexuality. Those qualities don't determine how I treat people. People are people and pushing ideologies based on our differences is absurd.
HAHAH who hates people that don't think like them, now? Also, I had 0 religious push in my childhood.
All LGBTQ people are asking is for basic rights. The republicans are passing laws to literally ban the words gay from school books. Literally banning books lol. You have no rights on what other people's kids are not allowed to learn about. If you want to take your kid out of school do it. Otherwise ur just a bigot
What basic rights are they missing?
What proposals have republicans come up with to ban the word gay from school books?
You're right. But people who pay for the school property, maintenance costs, improvement costs, school supplies, teachers salaries, admin salaries should have a say in their kids education. Public schools are locally funded, and forcing programs in the schools counter to what the parents want is totalitarianism similar to indian boarding schools.
You say that, but you prevent any attempt for parents to have an alternative to public school.
If 100% of parents in a school district didn't want a book in their 3rd graders library, should it be there?
Florida's Don't Say Gay bill comes to mind. It prevents teachers from discussing sexual orientation at all before 4th grade.
https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1557/?Tab=BillText
You mean the Parental Rights in Education act? Your bias is showing.
No it doesn't, it prevents instruction on sexual orientation. I don't want teachers instructing my 1st grader how to cross dress, and I'm not afraid to say it.
Yeah that's the one I mean. Instruction in teaching generally means teaching about a topic in general, so a discussion with the intent to teach would be covered by this.
Yes. Parents are idiots. Just because a couple religious bigots don't want a book is meaningless. Parents don't know how to teach kids or what the data says about what is important to learn. Parents don't set the curriculum and they shouldn't because by and large they are idiots.
You've at the very least buddied up with a bunch of bigots who would be fighting to keep black people out of their schools of this was 60 years ago.
Well done, bigot.
All you've shown is that you are for government forced re-education. See, this is why conservatives have a problem with the current education system, because they're just rebranded indian boarding schools.
You can keep saying this, but it's an overwhelming amount of the public you're fighting against.
And the fact we spend much much much more money per student on public education and constantly rank terribly in quality of education shows teachers don't know how to teach kids or what the data says is important to learn either.
Believe it or not, teaching the little first grader named timmy that he can dress like cindy and call himself laquisha and be a girl doesn't help math scores.
And instead of leaving it up to parents, we should leave it to the government? That's where your thoughts nad mine differentiate, the government and public systems should be meant to serve the public, not overrule them.
If that's true, then that means you buddied up with the side that fought for slavery 200 years ago.
lol typical bigot thing to say. BUT 200 YEARS AGOOOOOO..
Nah you loser.. BTW those books aren't for you or your kid. They're for kids who are confused about why they are different. It's that fucking simple. Just like the products you scream about in Target aren't for you..they are for people who would want them.. Which there are a lot of.
I was jerkin off to cosmopolitan magazines by the time I was 8. You want to kids to be ashamed and repress any feelings they have that are part of being a normal human. The 3 books in a school library that talk about gay and trans are for those kids who are going through that.
No one is teaching Timmy to dress as a girl. You have been groomed by propaganda. Literally it's not happening in any meaningful way you are just a literal bigot that has taken the side of religious whackos based on actual false information.
You're one of the idiot parents that definitely shouldn't have shit to do with what happens in the education of ANYONEs kids. I feel sorry if you actually have one. I'd bet you are actually just a loser incel that pretends shit's happening in mass based on some dumb ass pod casts you listen to.
Might want to learn about actual journalism that has backup sources and data. Where you'd find literally none of the shit you think is happening is happening. Instead you've chosen the weak minded bigot route. You've been groomed and continue to this day to be groomed.. It's all republicans have. They want to dumb you down as fast as they can because if not you'd realize they are trying to strip all sorts of rights away. 1st amendment, 14th amendment. Meanwhile they pass 0 actual useful legislation. Completly deny the existance of climate change and think the earth is 6000 years old.
looolll... You're parents fucked up with you. Hope to shit you don't actually have a kid because you are already fucking up with it.
HAHAHA you're the one calling me a bigot for something someone did 60 years ago. You're a clown, homie.
No you are a bigot for wanting the government to burn books and pass laws that break the first amendment. You are the clown. Go hang out on your pod casts and figure out who else you can hate.
Where did I say this?
Where did I say this?
I listen to some oligies with my girlfriend, that's about it. Just because people have thoughts differently than yours, doesn't mean they're brainwashed and you are just right about everything. That's the problem with the left now, it's anything that you disagree with, is some grand conspiracy and your views are so holy and flawless. Listen to others thoughts, and analyze your own in comparison to theirs. That's how you learn, not by attacking people that think differently than you.
dude you are legit stupid. I'm done arguing with you. Banning books is a 1st amendment violation. Parent's dont have a right to do that. Period. You can deal with YOUR kid.. not other's and not pass laws that literally ban any book that says gay.
You are on the side of actual shitty people. Own it, you fucking loser.
Lol. Implying there are other things to bring "anti woke"