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For anyone interested in the science, here's a video from Harvard psychiatrist/instructor Dr. K from HealthyGamerGG going over research on non-consensual pornography (deepfakes, revenge porn, and the like). The most impactful point he makes is, "After non-consensual pornography is released over half of the people who are involved want to kill themselves". There's a few minutes more of content for those who want to watch, including talking about increased rates of depression, anxiety, PTSD, etc., especially when the porn goes public.
I'll admit I used to look at deepfake porn, but I stopped immediately after hearing that and the rest of that video. Not because religion or society disapproves but because I want my entertainment to be consensual and fun - not so destructive that it makes the unwilling participants suicidal more often than not. I think there are ways to do porn properly that involve worker protections, respect, and of course consent. So I think this statute has a pretty solid foundation in severe harm reduction as per the research.
I think it's harmless to generate and enjoy deepfake porn for your private consumption. I don't do it because I like my nude women to have ten fingers and toes.
I'm not sure I buy that argument.
There is enough pornography to last you until the heat death of the universe. The only reason you would create your own pornography with people who never consented is because the transgression itself is what is giving the sexual pleasure, not the pornography.
Enjoying something for its transgressive nature doesn't make something necessarily bad. Neither does that make everything okay, I'm just saying there is nothing inherently wrong with enjoying the transgressiveness of an act more than the act itself.
But this is highly philosophical and any attempt to seriously explain my thoughts (and I made three attempts before just going with this) quickly gets too long, so hopefully we can just agree that there's room for respectful disagreement.
No, I don't think there is room for respectful disagreement when one of us is arguing they don't require sexual consent.
No one consents to featuring in private fantasies.
A private fantasy is a thought. Creating unconsensual pornography is an action.
The longer this conversation continues, the higher your ick factor gets.
Masturbating is an action, too. What's the qualitative difference between a private image in one's head and one on a screen?
You seem to struggle with separating a philosophical conversation from whatever icks you. If it assuages your sensibilities I don't engage in this activity, but only because it's not arousing to me in any way. I just can't see any actual difference between a fake image in your head and an equally private image on a screen.
When an image becomes public or harassing I think there is a clear problem. If you want to disagree on where the line is between an image in your head and one used to harm someone, that's fine. Neither of us is drafting a law here so it's all just wind and words. Have a good day.
An image in your head isn't a physical product that exists in the material world.
Neither is an image projected onto a screen.
No, if you create something it exists, whether or not it is a digital file or not.
Can you please send me 20 photos of you, along with roughly 10 minutes of audio?
So you're suggesting that saving the image is where it becomes harmful?
Let's start with the creation of pornography starring you. Currently I am considering having 100 German men using you as a toilet.
Please provide images of yourself and a small clip containing your voice.
Do you, in all seriousness, think this is any kind of winning argument? I give absolutely zero fucks if someone wants to jerk off to my image in privacy. Zero. For all you know being a toilet for 100 German men is what I call a fun Tuesday evening.
I'm just trying to identify the exact thing you think does harm to a person when done in complete privacy.
If you give zero fucks, hand it over.
Look if you like to jerk off to fetish porn of random strangers that's totally on you. If you do it in private, I'll never know and certainly never care whether it's me or not. If you don't then we've established that's harmful. So what is the point of this empty challenge? I've got nothing to prove to you. You can either accept my word at face value or not. I don't actually care where you draw the line between imagination and harm, but it's kinda weird that you can't accept that folks can have a reasonable difference of opinion. That's a you problem. See ya.
So you are obstructing me from accomplishing what you think is okay to do without consent...
Very very interesting.
Not enabling you is obstruction? My dude do whatever you want if you can. My image is out there on Facebook and other platforms. God speed, you kinky fucker. Or, if you're not actually trying to get off, then this whole thing is in bad faith.
Pm me your Facebook account.
If it's a deepfake of a celeb you like, you may likely never get the real thing
Okay, and?
Don't fake kink shame....