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A person who is mentally ill and has done violent things, doesn't mean they did those violent things because of their illness.
In fact, your "common sense" isn't even supported by science.
Only 10-15% of schizophrenic people exhibit violent tendencies
Schizophrenic people living in communities are up to 14x more likely to be the victim of violence rather than the perpetrator
Finally, this is anecdotal, but for whatever it's worth, I have multiple (3) friends who are schizophrenic and they are genuinely the kindest people I know, whether or not they are on their medication.
Stop vilifying the mentally ill.
Everything is an offense, a battle to be won... just stop, breathe.
Right, so a schizophrenic commits violent murders, and your argument is that the mental illness is to be considered irrelevant?
Please don't tell me to stop and breathe, I'm fully calm in this discussion.
My argument is that no one in this thread is a psychologist who has evaluated the schizophrenic person. Not you, not me, not anyone else. We can speculate as to the cause, but making prescriptive statements like "he did this because he has schizophrenia" only serve to stigmatize the condition further when we truly have no idea if that was the cause.
I'm not talking about your calmness but your overreaction.
You don't need to be a psychologist to determine whether his mental illness was a factor. I'm not saying his mental illness was the reason.
It's not an overreaction. It's a reaction to someone being ignorant and repeating the same thing over and over. And yes, you need to be a psychiatrist to determine that. Specifically, you need to be their psychiatrist. You don't diagnose people off a news article. Stop it.
Mentally ill man did insane thing. Could his illness be a factor? Yes, obviously!! Are you people for fucking real?!!
~~You don't need to be a psychologist to determine whether his mental illness was a factor.~~
~~I'm not saying his mental illness was the reason.~~
~~Please continue saying more contradictory statements.~~
~~If you think it could be a factor, then you think it might be a reason that he did this. It could be a factor, but again, neither of us are equipped to evaluate the mental status of someone based on news articles.~~
Edit: Factor =/= Reason. My argument in this message is flatly incorrect due to this, though I'll leave it up.
Factor and reason is not the same thing...
You know what, you're right. Looks like I've gone too long assuming they were interchangeably usable by changing the surrounding words.
I'll redact my previous statement, though to be clear, I still strongly disagree that one could say that the attackers schizophrenia was definitely a factor in this without having a previously existing mental evaluation and the expertise to understand it. You could say that it's more likely to have been influenced by his schizophrenia, but as I previously noted, a relatively small minority of schizophrenic people are violent (10-15%).
Fair enough! 🙂