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Danish government prepares bill to stop Koran burnings (www.reuters.com)

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[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No speech, just the act of burning a book. Try and stick to the topic at hand.

This would be protected under free speech. Speech doesn't only include things spoken when we use these terms. I don't know if you're being purposefully obtuse or actually ignorant of this information, but I'm providing it either way so there isn't an excuse.

Most of the time speech is protected, which includes many things like protests and things like that, not just speech. Sometimes it is not. For example, it's questionable that the speech Trump gave before the January 6th riots are considered protected speech or are not protected because they were calls to violent action.

Who gets to decide that? You?

What don't you get about this. The court gets to decide, and their decision is based on how the law is written. We're not just saying random people getting offended get to decide. None of this is a weird process that hasn't been done before.

It's absolutely not. You're being incredibly naive if you think passing this law will be a solution to this problem. There will always be further demands.

The slippery slope falicy is when you start at one point and then it moves to an extreme without any reasonable way to reach that extreme from that first step. Having a law that limits burning certain books in a fashion designed to encourage violence without having a purpose has no relation to banning public displays of affection.

But a person's right to do what they wish with their own property does not?

Not totally, no. There are plenty of things you can't do with your property. For the US: If you live near other people's property, you can burn your house down. If there's a residence you can't legally fire a firearm within a certain distance of it (though this often isn't obeyed, especially in rural areas where literally no one else is around). You can put up a cross and burn it because it'd be hate speach (most likely at least, but it'd be up to the court to decide. If you're not from the US, this is what the KKK did.) There are tons of rules you have to follow that restrict what you can do with your property.

[-] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This would be protected under free speech.

I'm unfamiliar with Danish law so I was trying not to get into the specifics. Can you cite the relevant legislation?

The slippery slope falicy is when you start at one point and then it moves to an extreme without any reasonable way to reach that extreme from that first step. Having a law that limits burning certain books in a fashion designed to encourage violence without having a purpose has no relation to banning public displays of affection.

It absolutely does if you consider my entirely reasonable point that passing this law will not be the end of the matter. There will always be further demands. To not consider this is naive.

As to your last point. There are laws in place to protect other people's property which prohibit what you can do with yours. That's obvious.

Maybe I don't burn the book. Maybe I rip pages out of it or otherwise deface it. Should those actions also be illegal?

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