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Yeah, luckily right now we don't have any kind of 'security forces' out there raping and killing people. we are soooo much better.
WTF is wrong with you? Your entire response entirely dismisses this young persons tragic, horrific demise.
Have the decency to give the tragedy the respect it deserves or just ignore it. It's like a twisted version of the useless grass is greener comparison. Or people who respond to someone's feelings or concerns with a, just be glad you're not ________ (some bullshit comparison). Totally minimizing that person's experience, sweeping it away. Managing to not to do any justice to the thing being compared with either.
Fuck this Iranian regime. Fuck gross backwards ass patriarchal bs wherever it exists.
Their comment does not dismiss anything going on in Iran, as a matter of fact the dude is talking about the US. you're somehow deflecting from their point and becoming outraged at something they never even said.
My point is why bring up the US. This story isn't about the US. This has to do with Iran brutally crushing the Iranian women's rights movement that rose up in 2020, "Woman, Life, Freedom".
By turning the convo to the US and policing in the US, you end up minimizing their plight and this young woman's story.
Ah, I got you.
Hot take? Because Yanks have nothing to talk about but themselves on account of not having a firm mental image of anything existing outside of the US,, consequently not acknowledging the material reality of anything outside of the US. Like "Iran" could as well be "Neighbour of Wakanda" to them, on some level they regard both places as fictional so they make Iran about them just as they make Wakanda about them. A movie in the cinema reporting about a fictional place, a news article reporting about a fictional place, where's the difference when it comes to water-cooler talk. Utterly self-absorbed bunch over there.
Yet the person they responded too wants to make it a political issue in america acting like there is any party interested to establish islamism. They use a racist dog whistle and you are here attacking the person calling them out. "Oh if you dont vote these evil Muslims will establish the morality police here"
I think he's more talking about US Republicans wanting to have genital inspectors to enforce their new laws.
It’s not the Muslims, it’s the evil Christians. Same problem, but different names.
I dont know, does your prison system allow for the rape of virgins who have received the death penalty because otherwise theyd to heaven? Have you ever picked up a rapper who critized the government, tortured him, released him and when he spoke up about his torture, the üolice arrested him again and sentenced him to death? Y'alls police ever shot a bystander to protest in the stomach and then killed anyone who tried to help her? Police ever busted a police violence victims funeral by killing attendants? Because the fucking iranian basij force did all of that within the last year.
Yeah american police is probably in the bottom 5 of western police forces, but its not "shooting 1,500 people in the streets because they didnt like gas price hike" bad.
What the fuck is the point of ranking police violence other than to beat your own chest and feel smug?
It's dawning on me that many of the people using this tragedy to make comparisons are likely male.
What are you talking about
The police in the states are constantly raping and murdering people. on a literal daily basis.
I want to preface this by stating I am not a "thin blue line" person, nor am I someone who typically defends the police. I have attended protests about police brutality and I'm a proponent for substantial reform and reallocation of funding.
That being said, you're not completely wrong about the murder thing, but you're not completely right either. Police did shoot and kill almost 900 people in the US in 2023. That averages to more than 2 per day. To call every police involved shooting a murder is just ignorant. Police do murder, and IMHO they are usually not held accountable when they do, but I would argue that it's far less than 50% of the killings.
Your rape claim is much less credible. This study identified 669 cases of police sexual violence from 2005 through 2012.. Any number greater than 0 is unacceptable, but this is a far cry from your "daily rape" claims, and your hyperbole does a disservice to victims of sexual assault.
All that being said, and as much scrutiny and criticism as US police deserve, you're wildly ignorant to suggest the US is worse than Iran when it comes to abuse and misconduct.
Keep in mind, no one actually knows how many people US police kill. If no outside agency, of some sort, is involved, they do not report it. These numbers are based on what were reported and, according to Patrick Lynch - Previous head of the largest police union in the US, "most" police killings never make it to the public. So it is likely that the number is, at least, a little more than twice that. The 1994 crime bill stipulated an obligation for all police killings to be reported, in full, to the federal government. The DOJ has never enforced this rule, and has no plans to ever do so. They think it would be too destructive to police if they had to do this.
https://www.healthdata.org/news-events/newsroom/news-releases/lancet-more-half-police-killings-usa-are-unreported-and-black
The quote from Patrick Lynch was from an industry rag and I can not find any longer. The link I had is now dead. The magazine is called American Police Beat, and you can find it in just about all PD offices, and correctional facilities. Seems they scoured that article. Whether it was done because it was old, and not archived, or because of the bad optics, is not known.
You bring up some good points. Thank you
It says a lot frankly that Iran is clearly worse than US policing. It's a big problem in the US, and to be much worse than that...
I wish there was a clear way we could help them and Afghanistani women out.
Yeah. The US is fucking terrible in many respects for a 'modern' country, but the current Iranian government outright prides itself on being reactionary.
It says a lot that Iran has even more brutal and worse police than the US.