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submitted 8 months ago by Stopthatgirl7@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

Police and private security throng every entrance but one. Steel barriers line the streets. Students pack up belongings in their cars and leave for home - classes are cancelled, and exam plans are up in the air.

Everywhere there is gloom, and uncertainty about what happens next at Columbia University.

Students told the BBC that the university's decision to call in police to clear a Gaza protest late on Tuesday, leading to a raid on the occupied Hamilton Hall and hundreds of arrests, has left the college community shattered.

The university president, Nemat Shafik, said that it was with great regret that she ordered the police raid against students and others she said had infiltrated the protest. It would "take time to heal", she added in a message in the operation's aftermath.

For students of this prestigious school in Manhattan, New York, how long is unclear.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 57 points 8 months ago

Imagine if the Columbia administration decided they could swim in regular water instead of a moneybin like Scrooge McDuck and divested the university from Israel. Maybe all of this could have been avoided.

[-] betz24@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 8 months ago

Aren't there laws that prevent Universities from doing so?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

Are there? I've not heard of such a thing.

[-] betz24@lemmynsfw.com 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yes, anti-BDS laws. These were passed years ago (not reactionary to now). There are state and federal rules but in general, a university can't boycott or divest from Israeli (or many other nations) in political protest or it loses funding.

I think this is why we see most universities have their hands tied.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

A private university? I would like to see that law.

[-] betz24@lemmynsfw.com 7 points 8 months ago

I still believe the university benefits from government funding since NSF, NIST, DoD etc are all agencies funding university research. I don't think it's possible to un-fund yourself completely from the government given that it spurs research everywhere.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

But you can make an effort. Which they are not doing.

[-] betz24@lemmynsfw.com -2 points 8 months ago

I can understand that people hold their college as some part of their soul and want their universities actions to reflect their political beliefs. But, I don't think universities (as an entity) should be involved politically or have political opinions.

[-] LotrOrc@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

What is it but having a political belief right now? It's the same belief but on the opposite side. So if one is political, then by definition so is the other

[-] Narauko@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

You seem to be confusing taking no action with taking positive action when compared to a negative action, conflating both to be the same thing under an "if you aren't explicitly with me then you're against me" view point. If the University we're going out of its way to dump more money into new Israeli investments, then that would be the same belief but opposite. Not changing anything is by definition the only neutral action, and any change in any direction would be political. Not saying anything about what is ultimately "right", just that there "is" an apolitical option and that is to do whatever would be done if this whole thing wasn't happening.

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

No shit. These guys aren't great at realizing their own inherent bias

[-] firadin@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Anti-BDS laws exist (you can look them up on Wikipedia). Are they constitutional? Certainly not. Is our legal system going to fight them? Doubt it.

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 13 points 8 months ago

Columbia's dean was on NPR and said that political investments and divestments are illegal.

What the protestors aren't saying is that by divestment they are asking the school to divest from the S&P 500. If Columbia agrees, they need a non politically motivated reason to do so.

[-] betz24@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 8 months ago

S&P 500? That's an interesting ask considering teachers pension/tenure funds and administrative 401ks are all probably in there.

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 9 points 8 months ago

Yeah, in my mind it makes more sense to take the protest to wall street.

In the case of Columbia students, they are already in New York. Catching a bus shouldn't be too hard .

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