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[-] halvar@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Nuh-uh. Organic/long established ethnostates may be frowned upon, but if they close off their borders to preserve their identity, that's their right, since I belive in the self-determination of peoples.

It is arguable though, whether these even exist right now, or are there only nation-states and some wannabe ethnostates.

Trying to violently establish an ethnostate is of course something I cannot agree with.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

close off their borders to preserve their identity

If your ethnicity is your identity, you're by definition a xenophobic bigot.

since I belive in the self-determination of peoples.

Except for people who want to move to the ethnostates you support, of course ๐Ÿ™„

Trying to violently establish an ethnostate is of course something I cannot agree with.

You literally can't establish and maintain an ethnostate without the use of a lot of violence and oppression against people of other ethnicities. That's just how the world works.

[-] halvar@lemm.ee -1 points 7 months ago
  1. Ethnicity totally can be part of an identity, but that doesn't mean you have to hate anyone.
  2. Don't misunderstand "closing off borders". Making the people stay is not okay. Not letting the people that left back is also not okay. Not letting in a different ethnicity? Arguably racist, but I wouldn't count not letting them into your country as oppression. I'm a christian, so I can't visit Mecca, yet I don't feel oppressed.
  3. That's why I said "long established" and that's why I pointed out that those aren't many. I don't think the violence you'd have to use to establish an ethnostate is in any way acceptable. If the ethnostate already stands though, you may use certain tools to preserve it, which are not many and are usually "not enough".

My take wasn't that ethnostates are good, but that they are not inherently bad either, it's just the tools usually used to establish and preserve them that we must condemn.

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