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cross-posted from: https://sopuli.xyz/post/12670977

iPhone owners say the latest iOS update is resurfacing deleted nudes

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[-] Forester@yiffit.net 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Proper deletion should include writing all ones or all zeroes to the block but y'all be lazy as fuck.

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 29 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Only necessary on the ol spinning rust, with SSDs not only is it completely unnecessary, but it also burns extra writes.

Spinny's store data magnetically on the platter with 1s and 0s, SSDs store data on the NAND as a held charge. If there's a charge in the block it's a 1 if there's no charge it's a 0.

With spinny's, a file gets marked as "deleted" but the residual magnetic 1s and 0s will remain on the platter until eventually overwritten

With SSDs a file gets marked "deleted" and within no more than a few minutes TRIM comes along and ensures the charge on the NAND is released for that data, there's no residuals to worry about like with spinny's and is in fact necessary to ensure decent lifespans.

[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago

Wow, the SSD can hold the charges perfectly while unplugged for ages? Amazing.

In a post apocalyptic world where I am in charge of building a storage drive and I’m given all the instructions and fabs, the world is going without storage.

[-] davidgro@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago

Wow, the SSD can hold the charges perfectly while unplugged for ages? Amazing.

Yup. Before flash memory, devices like video game cartridges which had game saves actually needed a battery to power the memory holding the saves.

[-] Drummyralf@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

I want a spinny as a pet now. Sounds cute.

[-] Verat@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago

But wouldn't TRIM be the deleting he is requesting? Removing the charges would be setting all the bits in that block to the same value.

[-] AProfessional@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

That just makes no sense to do, modern storage is write limited. As long as you used encryption the old bits mean nothing to anyone but you.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago

SSDs are. Big storage is not using SSDs.

[-] EvilBit@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I’m not an expert, but wouldn’t proper deletion be writing random ones and zeroes to the block? Multiple times?

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago

I don't think it's been shown to make a difference.

[-] EvilBit@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

It certainly feels more deleted…

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago

It was sort of true in the past, but not anymore. I think writing random data once is probably fine, even for most state level actors.

[-] cyrus@sopuli.xyz 3 points 7 months ago

yeah cuz for normal, day-to-day use that's exponentially slower the more you're deleting

You can do that when you wipe something.

[-] Forester@yiffit.net 0 points 7 months ago

Yeah, such as sensitive photos

[-] foggy@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Nitpick: it should be fuzzed with random 0s and 1s.

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