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You kinda have to believe in real magic to study science in-depth (lemmy.ml)
submitted 7 months ago by Cataphract@lemmy.ml to c/showerthoughts@lemmy.world
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I think this is the biggest problem I see in people trying to understand deeper fields of study, a concept is just too large or out of our perceived reality to even make sense without years of knowledge. I think people fall into the "woo woo" just because it's easier to not really know versus becoming a doctorate in a field of study who has slowly built that knowledge on the fundamental principles needed.

But either way, when you start, you just have to accept that something has a cause and effect. We can't see most fields, just have to accept they are there and interacting the proposed ways because of our tiny little sensors. Sometimes, we just have to say "ok" even if it boggles the mind.

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[-] UmeU@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

Science requires that you do not simply start with a belief in something, quite the opposite in fact.

Sure, things that have been demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt may become the foundation for further research, standing in the shoulders of giants and all, but if you are starting with a conclusion you are doing science wrong.

Magic has two common definitions: a trick which is designed to create the illusion that something supernatural has occurred, or an assertion that the supernatural does indeed exist with magic being the ‘evidence’.

As I am sure someone has said at some point, real magic is fake and fake magic is real.

Magic has nothing to do with science, even though someone once famously said that ‘any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.’

[-] Cataphract@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago

"kinda have to believe in real magic" a better terminology for the premise is "suspension of disbelief". I can't believe people are in here arguing about actual magic and not seeing the metaphorical aspect of the shower thought. If it's a conceptual barrier like which can happen with Autism then I apologize.

[-] UmeU@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

It’s not autism, it’s the word ‘real’ that threw me off. But I don’t know that suspension of disbelief is any better.

Belief is irrelevant, all that matters is what can be tested and demonstrated.

Also I didn’t realize that shower thoughts required metaphors.

I suppose shower thoughts are generally just half baked ideas, and science is magic is quite half baked, so I think we are good.

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