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Urban Microcars (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by freebee@sh.itjust.works to c/fuckcars@lemmy.world

Society's got priorities wrong.

  • most car travels are 1 person or sometimes 2 person

  • the majority of car travels are quite short, less than 40km.

  • many car travels are just to get some groceries or drop of a little package or just say "hi" to someone, carrying nothing but themselves.

  • cars are fucking expensive, to buy and to maintain

  • accidents become way worse with heavier vehicles

Microcar is a valid answer to all of these, while still being sheltered from weather.

How are urban places (i'm in Belgium) with almost permanent super heavy road traffic congestion, bad climate statistics, high polution values, very limited available space left, no self-sustaining energy production and high traffic accident statistics still pooring in billions and billions in subsidies year after year into "regular" big heavy SUV-like vehicles instead of these? It's beyond my comprehension. The only real valid reason i somewhat get is the collective scare of being in a crash and not wanting to be in the smaller vehicle. We could save the climate, we choose not to.

  • MICROLINO: 17.990 €
  • OPEL ROCKS: 8.699 €
  • CITROEN AMI: 7.790 €
  • RENAULT TWIZY: 13.000 €
  • FIAT TOPOLINO: 9.890 €

A lot of people here casually spend more on a sunday racing bike every few years for fucks sake.

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[-] Rayspekt@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

Man, your argumentation is all over the place. Adressing your points in the same order:

How often do you expect a person to resort to rental cars when they already invest 10k in a micro car with all running costs on top? A normal person that spends that amount of money doesn't want to pay additional 50-200 Euro per trip for 5-10 times a year.

Generalizing that public transportation is shit doesn't cut it if you want make a serious point. There are A LOT of people that could use public transport with minor habitual changes.

I'm talking to you that micro cars are too expensive compared to old station wagons and you jump to "big luxury cars are expensive"? Yeah no shit, Porsche drivers are for sure the general population and what micro cars are aimed at lmao. It is the financial reason for people with normal incomes: Nobody pays 10k for a glorified scooter with a roof.

it for sure does make more sense people buying small new EV instead of big new luxury SUV-EV

Yeah no shit, maybe you read my post again and see that I didn't refute this point.

It might not be economical to you at this point, but it all trickles down the market in 5-10 years time and then it will be very cheap and very available

You do you. I'll wait until proper low-end cars are out that are worth paying 10-15k. Shouldn't take that long now that China has claimed this market and Europe and the US scramble to push out cheaper EV-cars instead of only selling bloated luxury EVs.

[-] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yeah $10k can get a used Lexus in good shape. These things are just nowhere near cheap enough to not be able to carry groceries and kids. It's the reason I never bought a smart car. $30k was just way too high for what it could do.

Be better off investing in mass transit, like you said

Them suggesting renting cars is also not super viable in most places. It takes at least thirty minutes to fill out the paper work and I don't know anyone willing to do that for their weekly grocery trip

[-] Rayspekt@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Them suggesting renting cars is also not super viable in most places. It takes at least thirty minutes to fill out the paper work and I don’t know anyone willing to do that for their weekly grocery trip

Yes this comes even on top. I did use a mix of train and rental cars for the last few years and man does it suck to regularly have to go through the rental process. Even if they don't try to rip you off on old damages to get your deposit, paperworks and also having to drive to the hub is so inefficient.

[-] sudneo@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

In cities car sharing works OK (no time for paperwork etc.), but it still is relatively expensive.

At least in Europe is quite common I believe.

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