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agile is far left too. I will die on this hill (feddit.uk)

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[-] Skepticpunk@lemmy.world 70 points 6 months ago

Hmm. Self-organizing projects whose workers work on them entirely based on their need to be done, and the results freely distributed to anyone who wants a copy?

Literal fascism, obviously.

[-] BoxOfFeet@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago

Things like FOSS stuff makes you think people can organize and work together freely to achieve a common goal, and maybe anarchy could work. But then, you see a busy intersection when the traffic lights go out and you realize the general public are idiots and everything devolves into selfish chaos as you're stuck a half mile back, as cars shoot through in no particular order and you inch closer to the madness terrified to make your left turn. I have zero trust in society without some form of rule and order.

[-] futatorius@lemm.ee -1 points 6 months ago

Anarchism isn't zero organization. It's organization for legitimate and accountable purposes.

[-] linja@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

That's a pretty weak definition. "Legitimate" especially is a vacuous term, and every form of democracy ever proposed is (theoretically) "accountable".

[-] zbyte64@awful.systems 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Sure, but is that how we talk about our institutions? Things I hear that buck anarchism while supporting American democracy:

The Constitution should be interpreted with "originalism" or at the very least venerated
Police sacrifice X, therefore it's okay if they do extralegal Y

I'm not saying there aren't systems of accountability that legitimize various institutions. It's that the stories we tell to legitimize an institution comes in many different flavors, and those based on authority from power/position (ie "our founding fathers were smart people") are not accepted by anarchists. Edit: Imagine how different our legal framework would be if it reflected that mentality?

[-] linja@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

I think I almost understand what you're getting at. If I do, it's uncodifiable. You can't draft an organisational system with a clause that no one is allowed to use logical fallacies to defend it.