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[-] sweng@programming.dev 2 points 3 months ago

From one of the sources cited in the article: https://carnegieendowment.org/research/2024/06/ukraine-public-opinion-russia-war?lang=en

Many Ukrainians may be open to negotiations in theory, but they overwhelmingly did not trust Russia to negotiate in good faith. Most Ukrainians (86 percent) believed that there is a medium or high risk that Russia will attack again even if there is a signed peace treaty, and even more (91 percent) believed that Russia’s motive to enter negotiations is to take time to prepare for a new attack. Even among those who supported negotiations with Russia, only 21 percent believed that signing a peace treaty would help Ukraine deter future Russian aggression.

Putin's problem is he burned all the trust the world had in him when he attacked Ukraine after saying he would not. If he is truly serious about peace, he first needs to rebuild that trust.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago

The reality is that Russia is winning the war, and every day that goes by puts Ukraine and its western sponsors in a worse position. The terms will only get worse from here on out.

[-] sweng@programming.dev 3 points 3 months ago

Even if it were true, it has nothing to do with the fact that Putin has said he is open for negotiations, while doing absolutely nothing to actually get people to negotiate with him.

If he wants to negotiate, he needs to work on building trust, so he has someone to negotiate with. If he does not want to negotiate, then he should just say so. What Putin does now just makes people not take him seriously. You could practically hear the global eye-rolling when he made his latest proposal.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

I don't think you understand what's happening here. Either the west decides to start negotiating or there won't be an Ukraine left. Those are the options on the table.

[-] o_d@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 months ago

These libs are so used to having stopped caring about a war 8 years before it's lost that they don't even recognize what losing a war looks like. They think they can copium their way into Ukraine getting better terms.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago

Clearly, if they just keep repeating that Putin can end this war at any moment enough times then it will magically end.

[-] sweng@programming.dev 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Right, and Putin knows that the west and Ukraine will not negotiate since they don't trust him. So what is the point of making an offer you don't expect to be accepted? If you don't expect to negotiate, you are not being serious about it.

You can not claim to be for a diplomstic solution and at the same time do nothing to actually reach it.

Putin would rather kill millions of Ukrainians and Russians than make himself trustworthy (which could actually lead to a diplomatic solution)? What kind of person does that?

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