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Nomination from the people? We never had a choice in the first place.
Primaries work, but nobody votes in them. We got Clinton because she won the primaries in 2016, we got Biden because he won the primaries in 2020.
The 2016 primary was super delegate bullshit
In the 2016 DNC Primaries:
15,805,136 people voted for Hillary Clinton before considering Delegate allotment, 16,847,084 after.
12,029,699 people voted for Bernie Sanders.
If we didn't have a nation of 340 Million Fuckwits then maybe we could get more than 5% of the population to select our future leaders.
Oh, come on. You can't justify a corrupt process by pointing to the final results of the corrupt process.
No but I can justify a democratic process by pointing to the much much higher number of people voting for the candidate who won.
...In an unfair election with the organizing body tipping the scale all throughout the process. So no, you can't point to the votes to wave away the corruption that influenced those votes.
Lmao
You need to grapple with this and figure out how to acknowledge the damage the DNC did to the party in 2016. You are only continuing to hurt party unity by pretending it didn't happen.
I'm not saying Bernie would definitely have won or anything. Chances are Hillary would have won in a fair election anyway. I'm saying the people were robbed of a fair election so we can't know what would have happened. If you're truly interested in justifying democracy you should be outraged by that rather than denying it.
But sure, a pithy "lmao" definitely does the trick too.
*Lmao that resulted in Trump being president
*Lmao, that user thinks people selecting a leader through voting is corrupt/undemocratic
People are selecting from candidates chosen by two private parties. "You'll vote for who we tell you to vote for" isn't very democratic.
People are selecting candidates chosen by primary elections. It's a democratic process.
Oh yeah? Who were our options this go around?
Just some nobody independent who caucuses with dems named Bernie Sanders, you've probably never heard of him?
EDIT: To clarify, these were the 2020 primary results. There are ongoing 2024 primaries as well, but an incumbent president has never been defeated in a primary in all of US History.
That's like claiming McDonalds makes the best burger because they sell the most.
You're literally making an argument against bare definition democracy, right now.
Sure thing, buddy.