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Reports: Russia Hits NATO Member Romania With Kamikaze Drone
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I don't want young men to die, I want the Russians to go home, return Ukrainian sovereign territory, and live peacefully. I don't want Russians bombing and killing Ukraine or any other nation. I want them to fuck off, and if they won't fuck off, I want the Ukrainian military to kill them all and protect themselves.
This is so gutless. "Well sure I'd prefer unicorns and rainbows but KILL KILL KILL"... just say what you really mean and stand by it.
I thought I was pretty clear, I want Russia to give back Ukrainian sovereign territory and leave back to UN recognized Russian borders and stop the war. There is no peace process without them leaving Ukraine alone.
That's not a serious negotiating position when Russia is winning. Shit like this is getting people killed.
Rewarding invasions gets people killed.
Great, we all want the same thing, why is Ukraine and NATO not working toward a peace agreement? Why did NATO give weapons to Ukraine to propagate a war that they were always going to lose?
Russia never said it was going to be a three day operation. That was Lukashenko; you're getting the basic facts of the situation wrong.
Losing slow doesn't mean you had a realistic shot at winning, either.
Because they offered "fuck off and we can have peace" but russia wants to keep eastern UA territories
And how exactly do they get those eastern territories back?
By russia withdrawing and recognizing other sovereign countries' borders. That'd be a good start.
Cool, they are not going to do that so what is the actual way to get back the eastern territories?
Who was trying to kill them?
The US-backed Ukrainian coup government and western Ukrainian fascists were trying to kill the eastern Ukrainian untermensch for the nine years before this war started.
To give a clear answer to the how: fight until russia fucks off.
What happens when they run out of men to fight?
Then russia invades further, kills more civvies and pushes further into european territory. Whats the question?
So you think that once russia loses they are going to invade further into Europe after they had a hard time taking over Ukraine?
You seem to have trouble with reading. Let me help you:
What happens if UKRAINE runs out of men to fight?
RUSSIA pushes on west into EUROPE.
What you're writing assumes that RUSSIA loses.
That is an entirely opposite scenario.
Sorry, I means to say "once Ukraine loses".
Im not sure what youre expecting here. You asked why NATO and Ukraine won't negotiate peace.
They tried. Years ago. Russia said fuck you and invaded further.
Now you moved the goal posts to seek blame on the defenders side again.
They actually had a tentative agreement in Spring of 2022, but then NATO flew in and offered them money and weaponry so they could fight more. I am not moving the goal posts I am just telling you what reality is - Ukraine is going to lose, there is no other outcome.
Bruv youre not saying anything youre asking open leading questions.
And then you ask different questions when you dislike the answers. That's exactly what moving goalposts means. I understand you love russia but please read and think before you reply.
I am taking the logical argument in the direction that you guys are thinking to show its logically inconsistent. You guys just dont understand what is going on there and repeating one of two different talking point directions.
Elaborate.
Yes sir
We have to give weapons so that Ukraine can win.
Russia is Nazi Germany and will keep taking over all of Europe so we need to stop them now.
Both of these arguments are terrible and have huge holes.
I was sharing the beliefs of people pro war. They are not saying they are like the Nazis, they are claiming they have the same intention to take over countries.
Oh yeah my tone came off wrong there, more replying to the person they are talking to as im assuming they downvoted it; I hoped to show how the 'no nazis to see here' thing shitlibs love to do with downplaying ukraines actual fascist presence.
Good thing you made up both of them 👌
Sure dude, I totally did...
I didnt say either of those things so either you're projecting a different convo or you're making up strawman arguments
Cool then what is your reason that we should fund Ukraine?
To punish the organization that started the war.
Punishing violence with violence may seem like fighting fire with fire, but fire doesn’t respond to operant conditioning or compute game theory.
When an intelligent agent is causing problems, making problems for that agent is a way to signal that you’ll use your social power to alter their decision tree until they start playing nice again.
So to punish politicians that started a war you are willing to have hundreds of thousands of young men and civilians die? How exactly does that punish politicians that are not there and whos kids down have to fight?
Why doesn't Russia just go home? Why is it up to Ukraine to do anything but defend itself?
They signed a treaty so are beholdent to the terms of the treaty.
Russia wont just go home because they see Ukraine joining nato as an direct threat to their survival. Why did NATO agree to consider Ukraine as a potential NATO member when they knew it would likely cause war?
Russia pushed Ukraine into seeking NATO membership when they attacked them in 2014. Ukraine was neutral before that.
And NATO pushed Russia to take over Crimea when it helped to overthrow an elected government. Where does it stop?
I love how Russia invading other countries is always everyone else's fault. Hilarious.
So you think its irrelevant what the opinions of other countries just as long as your government thinks its right? How many wars could have been avoided by listening to the grievances of other cultures?