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We need humans in the economy, and art is our soul. I don’t want to see our artists replaced by robots.
It's a process that's been going on for a long time. It used to be that if you wanted to listen to music you needed a human artist to physically play it for you, but recordings have been normalized for so long that nobody gives it a second thought.
Heck, this is computer games we're talking about. Much of the performance is inherently "robotic" on some level already.
In no way, at all, is this even remotely the same same thing
That's not what people said back when recorded music first became prevalent.
Eventually the current hue and cry over AI voice actors will likely subside too.
That was also, in no way at all, even remotely similar to what we’re discussing here.
But your continued parade of ignorance is somewhat amusing
I wrote:
Yes, this is exactly what we're talking about.
Thank you for confirming my previous comments
This is how generations have been, they usually don't accept new things, be it culture, technology or fashion, because it breaks their routine. AI is not going to disappear, because it is a technology as old as computing, the closest thing is that an AI winter will come (it has happened several times to a greater or lesser extent).
But this only affects the US, because in other countries it remains the same without strikes, and I think this will encourage more subcontracting in countries like India, China, Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, Indonesia, because they are cheaper. Unless the government starts giving subsidies or updates the Berne Convention.
Even recorded music had an artist behind it.
Art is self-expression.
AI has no self to express so trying to pass off anything it does as art on par with an artist is an insult to all of humanity.
And yet, as I linked above, there was a hue and cry back when it first came out about how it didn't have an artist behind it. A quote from one of the anti-recorded-music advertisements at the time:
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It all sounds extremely familiar now. I expect this too shall pass, and a few years from now AI-generated music will be just a routine thing.
AI-generated voice over is already pretty common on Youtube already, to link more directly to the subject of this particular thread.
You're missing my point intentionally, you have to be. The song was still written and performed by a PERSON somewhere before the recording is distributed.
An AI is not a person. It's not even close to comparable.
I'm not missing your point. I'm just talking about something other than that specific point you're making. I'm not talking about what specific involvement humans had in any of this. I know that a recording of a human playing an instrument is a recording of a human playing an instrument whereas an AI-generated piece of music was not played by a human.
I'm just describing what people at the time were saying. People at the time were decrying the soulless nature of "canned music", complaining about how it was going to destroy creativity and jobs and all that. And then it didn't, life moved on, and nobody complains about "canned music" any more. It was just their opinion and opinions changed under the weight of pragmatism.
I expect it'll be the same with AI-generated stuff. Whether AI is a person, whether a human played it originally or not, that's not going to matter. This is a question of popular opinion.
The complains about Recordings and AI aren't the same thing, why bother discussing it here? You're comparing two different situations.
Recordings didn't destroy creativity and jobs, because recordings are recordings. Not AI.
If you go back up the thread a bit, you'll find that I started talking about recordings long before you or RedAggroBest came into it. You are the one who's trying to compare things to the subject that was not being talked about.
And recordings certainly did destroy jobs. Did you not know that theatres had live performers playing music for shows?
I am here because of your reply to the parent comment.
What im trying to say is, a recording is a mean to capture or create art, which is being done by tools humans use. It can be a creative process, like photography. There are jobs surrounding this field.
Live performings are still in the game and still generates a lot of money, its not destroyed. Its just that people have more options to choose from nowadays.
Meanwhile AI is the new possible "human" that can replace the many of us and conflict with our creativity/art. While recordings cant create things by itself, AI can. Theres the difference.
So you are discussing a topic that doesn't really correspond to what we are talking about, while thinking its the same situation...
I was talking about how music recordings used to be perceived. You came in and responded by talking about something unrelated, and then got upset at me because what I was talking about wasn't what you were talking about.
All of that stuff you just said right now is irrelevant to the things I was talking about. I know that a recording is meant to capture art that a human made. What does that have to do with how they were perceived back in the 1930s?
I'm fine with changing topics, but I'm not so fine with being berated for not having been talking about the thing you wanted to talk about in the first place.
The AI luddites don’t want to understand. They just want to be mad at something.