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Why does traditional masculinity have such longevity, even among younger boys?
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I think it's underappreciated how much traditional masculinity persists because it is attractive to women.
While I agree, it must be stated imo that it's not about the toxicity itself. It is about the interdépendancy between this toxic masculinity, and the submissive feminity.
Women are tought to be passive and fragile. Thus they need a man who is proactive and strong to lead her and protect her. Women are expected to hide what they think in order to not offend people around them, and thus a man is supposed to state things both for himself a'd for her.
Toxic masculinity and submissive feminity go hand in hand. They are, in fact, both toxic, especially together.
Personally I prefer to refer to the broader term "toxic gender roles" as it covers a wider range of interdependent behaviors. I also think it goes deeper than just submissive femininity. It's the old nature vs nurture argument. It's not all societal. Some of it is biological. Larger, more physically imposing-looking men being preferred by the majority of women cuts across all times and cultures.
I don't buy this nature thing. All societies have been exposed to violence, and women make babies. Then the same causes will lead to the same consequences.
So it's hopeless and cannot be changed then?
It's the opposite. Because it's not nature but culture, it can be changed.
Women making babies is culture? And as far as violence being culture, that has never been eliminated from any society and I don't see it happening any time soon.
You should certainly try to understand this in a different way, because you obviously misunderstood this badly.
I understand it. I thought my sarcasm would be clear. I think it is absurd to say that nature plays no part in human sexual attraction in spite of it affecting literally every other sexually reproductive animal on the planet.