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submitted 4 months ago by Rose@lemmy.world to c/support@lemmy.world

In my view as a long-time moderator, the purpose of moderation is conflict resolution and ensuring the sitewide rules are followed. As reported today by !vegan@lemmyworld, moderator Rooki's vision appears to be that their personal disagreement with someone else's position takes priority over the rules and is enough to remove comments in a community they don't moderate, remove its moderators for the comments, and effectively resort to hostile takeover by posting their own comment with an opposing view (archived here) and elevating it for visiblity.

The removed comments relate to vegan cat food. As seen in the modlog, Rooki removed a number of pretty balanced comments explaining that while there are problematic ways to feed cats vegan, if done properly, cats can live on vegan cat food. Though it is a controversial position even among vegans, there is scientific research supporting it, like this review from 2023 or the papers co-authored by professor Andrew Knight. These short videos could also work as a TL;DR of his knowledge on the matter. As noted on Wikipedia, some of the biggest animal advocacy organizations support the notion of vegan cat food, while others do not. Vegan pet food brands, including Ami, Evolution Diet, and Benevo have existed for years and are available throughout the world, clearly not prohibited by law in countries with laws against animal abuse.

To summarize, even if you don't agree with the position of vegan cat food being feasible, at the very least you have to acknowledge that the matter is not clear-cut. Moreover, there is no rule of lemmy.world that prohibits those types of conversations unless making a huge stretch to claim that it falls under violent content "promoting animal abuse" in the context of "excessive gore" and "dismemberment".

For the sake of the argument, even if we assume that the truth is fully on Rooki's side and discussions of vegan cat food is "being a troll and promoting killing pets", the sitewide rules would have to be updated to reflect this view, and create a dangerous precedent, enabling banning for making positive comments about junk food (killing yourself), being parents who smoke (killing your kids), being religious "because it's not scientific" and so on. Even reddit wouldn't go that far, and there are plenty of conversations on vegan cat food on reddit.

Given Rooki's behavior and that it has already resulted in forcing the vegan community out of lemmy.world and with more likely to follow, I believe the only right course of action is to remove them as a moderator to help restore the community's trust in the platform and reduce the likelihood of similar events in the future.

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[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 9 points 4 months ago

To what account? They are an instance admin, everyone is below them.

I'm not siding with anyone in this case, but the fact is it is a core feature of the fediverse: admins rule supreme and are only accountable to other admins. If users or communities don't like it, they could, and SHOULD move to another instance. If a suitable one is not available, they should make their own, and rule it as they please.

[-] Rose@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Going by this Lemmy.World chart, Rooki is an instance moderator standing below @ruud@lemmy.world and @jelloeater85@lemmy.world, so I'm appealing to them in the form of a public post so that the issue can't be swept under the rug.

If users or communities don’t like it, they could, and SHOULD move to another instance.

!vegan are already going for that option, but the problem is that if your written rules do not reflect your actual practices, it's a lot like backstabbing because you invite people to build communities over time only to go back on your rules and force the users to migrate, which leads to fragmentation and a lot of members lost in the process.

[-] lwadmin@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Just wanted to mention we are still working on a official response.

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee -2 points 4 months ago

Agree, great points.

I'm chiming in in this thread in a pretty anti authority way because I've experienced issues with admins on several instances doing just as you say: not playing by the rules they have laid out.

It's frustrating but ultimately it's their house. We're just squatting.

[-] Beaver@lemmy.ca -4 points 4 months ago

I’m seconding this motion.

[-] Beaver@lemmy.ca -1 points 4 months ago

It doesn't mean people shouldn't try to improve their original Lemmy home before moving to other instances.

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee -4 points 4 months ago

There's nothing to prove. It's in their nature.

This is like the scorpion and the frog story.

this post was submitted on 19 Aug 2024
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