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As I've been repeating ad nauseum, that is not the role of the judge in a criminal trial with a jury present.
This is patently false. A jury determines whether a defendant is guilty or not guilty. That's it. There is no "we feel sad for the defendant" option. Read the transcript of any trial and see how the judge instructs the jury. Jurors do not make up the law "as the people understand it".
That's why "Chrystul's" legal team advised her on her position and instructed her to take the plea deal - because a jury would find her guilty. Obviously, if Jurors just made up the law based on the vibe of a case, her legal advisors would have told her to go to trial because the jury would undoubtedly sympathise with her and find her actions reasonable.
It's preposterous to assert that part of the function of a jury is to nullify the law. You have absolutely no evidence in support of that. If this were true in any way it would be a component in every criminal trial ever heard by a court. Why bother disputing evidence when you can simply talk about the sad circumstances of the defendant. "The victim deserved to be murdered because they were an asshole".
I suspect that you simply prefer to believe you live in a world where good will always triumph over evil. You might find this upsetting to acknowledge but any grown up understands that life just isn't fair, and that bad things happen to good people.
Lol, your responses are honestly hilarious. I'd love to see a real judge react to your thoughts here.
Why would jury nullification be allowed if it wasn't part of the function of the jury?
And yes, "the victim deserved to be murdered because he was an asshole" is a valid line of defense in many cases including self defense and reactive abuse cases.
Yes, that so many people would null or find her not guilty itt and in general shows a jury trial may have really benefitted her. It benefitted others in the past. That's why it was brought up itt. I can start listing precedence, or you could just do even the most basic of legal research and look it up yourself.
You realize that this is a justice system, which has a legal obligation to be fair?
Anyone that's ever had anything to do with the justice system understands that it is not intended to be fair.
Jury nullification is not "allowed", you simply can't punish a jury for returning a "not-guilty" verdict, for obvious reasons.
Disliking the victim is not a valid defense.
Honestly I'm so weary of this. Continue believing that juries make up the law as they like. Feel free to have the last word but I'm done.
Define "fair"
Have you ever heard of "fair and equal under the law"?
It's intent is indeed to be fair. Whether it functions as such is another matter, a topic for justice reformation. Which jury nullification is part of, hence why it exists. Even if life is generally not fair, most humans morally value fairness (even toddlers get this), and all harm reduction is progress and good - so even making the justice system slightly fairer by implementing jury nullification is a good thing and just.
It is allowed. If it wasn't allowed, they'd, for instance, declare a mistrial. They wouldn't accept it. They do.
Again, you're wrong. The person being an asshole is absolutely grounds for being murdered. Including the case where the woman set her husband on fire in their bed. And in most self defense cases. There's literally thousands of cases where people get off for this reason.
I never said that juries make up the law as they like. I said that jury nullification is indeed part of the role of a jury. You are the one with the stance that this must not be so, despite not understanding the legal system, declaring that the legal system is supposed to be unfair, and going around in multiple threads claiming this even when shown how wrong you are with case studies and discussion. I hope you are weary enough to stop spreading weird misinformation about how you pretend society exists, rather than how it actually exists. Just because you personally dislike juries for some unknown reason (parenting trauma? were your siblings and you never allowed to speak up?), doesn't mean you're correct in any capacity.