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[-] sbv@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 months ago

His resignation tour was really interesting. He went on a rant against social media-led politicking and (iirc) kinda/sorta called for a return to big tent parties.

[-] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 months ago

Weird that a resignation tour is a thing.

[-] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 months ago

In hindsight I should have liked him more.

[-] sbv@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago

Compared to most of the leadership alternatives, he was good. I appreciate that he didn't want to pander to the Poilievre base.

His overthrow was inevitable. In retrospect, at least.

[-] voluble@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago

TFW your election campaign was provably targeted by hostile foreign powers because your foreign policy positions are contrary to their aims and goals.

[-] sbv@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago

That's definitely a thing too. I'm not sure it changes the trajectory of his career though.

If the PRC hadn't meddled, and O'Toole took the 10-ish ridings he alleged were subverted (which seems like a bit of a stretch), the Conservatives still wouldn't have been able to form government.

I think Poilievre's revolt did more to turf O'Toole than the PRC.

From what I've seen, Poilievre hasn't been nearly as hawkish on China, so the PRC certainly got lucky on that one.

[-] voluble@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago

Fair. Though it's hard to say much about the extent and effect of interference in the 2021 federal election, because much of it is still not known by the public, and there is no plan for disclosure. O'Toole was briefed on matters that concerned him. All the public has gotten are vague claims that the interference "didn't change the outcome of the election". The notion that any citizen should find that reassuring is a chilling thought.

And from a cynic's point of view, it's arguable that Poilievre's willful blindness and mealymouthed stance on national security isn't simply a lucky outcome for foreign powers that seek to influence Canadian politics - it's a stance that could serve to materially benefit him and his party in a federal election where interference is expected.

And more generally, when choosing a leader, are Conservatives now primed to prefer weak Poilievre-type foreign policy, instead of stronger O'Toole-type foreign policy? Probably. That's a downstream effect and success of interference. It's bad news all around, and I don't think enough is made of the issue.

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