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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Lashes Out at 'Predatory' Jill Stein
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So, this old, tired shit again.
Democrats do not support Genocide, and the war in Gaza is not clear cut. First, who started it? Hamas started it. They and Netanyahu want this war. They want to grind each other down so the loser is dust and the winner is weakened so whoever else is out there (Iran for Israel, the USA for Hamas and their supporters) can come in and mop up and finish the job.
Suppose Harris announces tomorrow that she's going to leave Israel out to dry. What happens? Russia promptly moves in and offers Israel guns, missiles, bombs, and fuel, and promptly accuses the USA of supporting Genocide. They and their Green Party USA useful idiots (complete with Stein sharing a table with Putin) are already claiming that the USA is supporting Genocide, but they'd just shift it over to the Israelis, which would be a correct statement in that situation. We'd come out looking bad.
And if you think the Green's ratfucking America is bad, imagine how people of Jewish decent, especially moderates and nationalists, might respond to it. Considering they represent up to 5% of the voting populations, and have lots of friends, leaving Israel to hang out to dry would likely lose far more voters than cowtowing to the anti-"Genocide" faction would gain the Dems.
But calling Democrats mass-murderers is easy to do because people are dumb. All we can do is remind everyone that if you vote Green instead of Blue on Election Day, you're going to get Red on Inauguration Day, and Project 2025 up the Back Entrance.
Yours is the old, tired shit. I see you trying to shift the rhetorical focus. "Genocide is bad, so now shift to denying the genocide, or at least justifying it." If Israel is justified, then this issue just evaporates! Right? Except the whole world knows that Israel is unjustified-- not just in this moment of slaughter, but for many years before as well. Peruse the decades of UN votes where only the US defended Israel's crimes.
Yes, there are many Zionist Jews in the US, and there are also many Jews in the US that are horrified by Israel's destruction of Gaza. I have marched with some in support of Palestinian lives. Are there more Zionist or non-zionist Jewish votes to be had in the US? I honestly do not know. On the one hand, that is a political consideration, but it is also a cynical one. People should look to their leaders to defend just principles.
Your fantasy of Russia moving to replace the US as Israel's patron is... wild.
And you miss my point entirely. To be clear:
Democrats being mass murderers, or even supporting mass murder, is the old, tired bullshit I was calling out.
It's not true, and I don't know how much clearer I can make that to you and your ilk. Your choice to support third parties because you believe this bullshit will get people I care about far more than Israelis and Palestinians killed because the fucking Republicans will win and dial up everything you say is bad about Democrats to fucking 11 and not only kill the people you claim to care about but also fucking kill the people I care about in this world. I'm not the only one that thinks this, which is why you get so much pushback here. I hope the strong language and the note about my Black Bisexual Pagan Goth Wife all the BS artists pushing 'pick Third Party to check Genocidal ~~Joe~~Kamala' are putting into the line of fire will get through to you. This choice you're advocating here is gonna get my wife killed, and I'm not going to meekly stand by quietly while you push this nonsense!
If you don't care about Palestinian children being slaughtered right now, by democratic action and inaction, why should I care about what might happen to your family? I have very little power about any of this. What I do have, is human empathy and some fundamental principles that I try very hard to never compromise. I don't look forward to the future either, but I won't be blackmailed into overlooking support of genocide.
So, because we don't do exactly what you want, you will put Blacks, Hispanics, Gays, Transgenders, Muslims, Jews, Pagans, Asians, and a whole host of other people here in the USA under a Republican Fascist Theocracy, which not only will harm those people, but also legitimately harm the people you say you care about more far more than they are being harmed now, and you wonder why you get so many negative votes and comments.
I categorically renounce and denounce your claim that Democrats are genocidal. This bullshit is all on Netanyahu and Hamas, not on innocent Israelis or Palestinians or the Democrats who aren't even in control of a damn thing in Israel. Anyone who listens to you over me is a damn fool. You vote whoever the fuck you want, but I'm still going to call you out as a fake supporter of Palestine as you scream how you can't vote for "Genocidal Democrats" because you're gonna get everyone you say you support and a whole bunch more actually killed with your vote. And with that, I'm done with you.
Holy histrionics, Batman!
Edit: You should really examine how you can hold me responsible for what may possibly happen to all those people you listed, purely based on how I do or don't vote... while at the same time categorically rejecting any responsibility of the democratic leadership for supporting the genocide in Palestine.
Nobody in the Democratic party supports Genocide.
They support the ability of Israel to exist and defend itself.
The problem is that Bibi intentionally misuses that support and the Democrats are too spineless to call him out on it.
That's not the same as going "Oh, yes, please, take our support and kill as many people as you can with it!"
That's the Trump doctrine.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21faee332d95fec99652c112fbdcd35d
“They have to get it done. Get it over with and get it over with fast because we have to -- you have to get back to normalcy and peace.”
I don't care what the dem leadership says about it, nearly as much as I care what they do about it. That the Biden admin and the rest of the dem leadership have real power to stop Israel, yet don't do it is materially the same thing whether they wring their hands about it or not. Maybe the confusion is around the word "support". I don't mean it in the sense of like, thoughts and prayers. I mean "support" in the sense of send offensive weapons, block any hostile measures by the UN and run interference on public demonstrations against your genocide. Plenty of dems fit the second meaning. The first meaning is irrelevant.
That's the thing, they don't have any real power to stop Israel.
We could cut off funding today, the genocide will continue.
So might as well keep funding then? Lol
We're going to keep funding them as long as Iran continues to make noises about wanting to attack them, yes.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/11/iran-israel-washington-00151821
You're grasping for justifications where there are none. The US could very well guarantee Israel's security from Iranian attack the way it is doing right now: by parking a carrier strike group nearby. Incidentally, we could use those same assets to simultaneously enforce a no-fly zone over Israel to prevent further bombing. Beyond that, Israel guarantees its own continued existence by way of a nuclear arsenal.