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[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 10 points 3 months ago

We can change the Dems and push them towards actually being good by just uncritically voting for them every election I see no flaw in this plan.

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 11 points 3 months ago

Not to mention showing up for the primaries too.

It fucking mystifies me that people will condemn the dems for never voting for progressives in primaries, and then just never turn out to the primaries themselves.

Primary turnout is consistently pathetic and an abject condemnation of the wannabe revolutionaries who speak with fire then act with all the likewise energy of cosmic background radiation.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

"I don't understand what a primary is", the voter.

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Let me check who I could've voted for Dem presidential candidate this year in the primaries. Here's the list:

Oh I should've voted in 2020? I could've chose between:

  1. Biden (no)
  2. Bernie "Israel has every right to defend itself" Sanders
  3. Bloomberg (lmao)
[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

"Bernie Sanders isn't pure enough for me" Jesus fucking Christ.

Like, how left do you think the electorate in this country is, exactly?

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 2 points 3 months ago

If it makes you feel any better I did vote for him in the primaries.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

He's one of the leftmost politicians in the entire country. And the electorate itself is not exactly ready to sing the Internationale. So you're here bitching for what?

"Voting for the more left of the two parties won't move them left!"

"Okay, vote for the leftmost candidate in the primaries."

"None of them were pure enough for me."

"Bernie is one of the leftmost figures in the entire country."

"Well, I did vote for him."

???

Did you vote for him expecting a Sanders victory wouldn't move the party left? Were you just having fun filling out your ballot?

Fuck's sake.

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 1 points 3 months ago

I don't think electoralism is enough to overturn the system no. I'll participate in it insofar as filling out a bubble takes almost no effort. Don't expect me to be enthusiastic about it.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Moving the system left is not the same as overturning it. A leaning structure is easier to topple in a direction than an upright one.

Moving the system left and accepting that the system isn't going to be simply voted into oblivion are not mutually exclusive.

[-] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago

Alright, so, being a single issue voter is bad, very bad, and if that’s your approach to political thought you should feel bad

and that includes if your single issue is Palestine

[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 months ago

Biden (no)

why not biden? His admin has been pretty productive in the term they've had thus far, pushing through multiple legislative accomplishments, only heeded by the worst of the worst (the border)

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club -1 points 3 months ago

Could it be, among other things, unwavering support for a genocidal nation with b/millions in arms shipments to help them get it done?

[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 months ago

i mean, that's one reason to not vote for him.

Let's have a look at the other candidate in the 2020 election:

  • trump

oh...

[-] Rolder@reddthat.com -1 points 3 months ago

Best to wait until the opposition isn’t someone who will straight up take away your ability to vote in the first place.

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 10 points 3 months ago

I'll be waiting here on this bench

[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 months ago

wait im sorry what the fuck does this mean?

I'm so confused? This isn't a russia disinformation post is it?

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