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The Alternative for Germany (AfD) has gained ground in three recent state elections, caused an uproar in the Thuringian parliament and triggering another debate on whether to ban the party outright.

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[-] FMT99@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

Killing the head of a terrorist organization won't help if you don't fix the underlying issues.He will be replaced in short order, usually by someone worse. Likewise this kind of political movement.

What the left in Europe (well in my country at least) still doesn't understand is that they're not going to fix this by lecturing the populist voters about how all their thoughts and ideas are wrong.

[-] Mora@pawb.social 28 points 2 months ago

I agree, that this move is mostly about getting some time and deeper issues still need to be addressed. However, by law, if the party is banned so are followup parties.

What the left in Europe (well in my country at least) still doesn't understand is that they're not going to fix this by lecturing the populist voters about how all their thoughts and ideas are wrong.

I do not agree with this sentiment though. Because for a big part their thoughts and ideas are just wrong (e.g. scientific denial (like climate or vaccinations) or hate against certain groups). We cannot say 'well they have a point' when they simply don't have shit.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I agree with you that there's no need to pretend fascists have a valid point. But those who would reason with them fail to understand that fascists are beyond caring whether they have a valid point or not. They are simply determined to have things their way. While we try to educate fascists about where they're mistaken, they will smirk and load their guns. To them it's funny that others are so stuck on argument when you can just use violence to get what you want. They see this attachment to argument as weakness and stupidity, and they know what to do with the weak and stupid.

That said, whether banning the party would help depends on how committed their voters are to the fascist cause, and I'm not familiar with the scene in Germany. Maybe if there are many who are just disgruntled but not particularly committed, putting obstacles in the party's way could buy time to turn them away. But people get sucked in quickly because fascist groups know how to make people feel they belong, pander to their egos, and rapidly program their prejudices while persuading them everyone else is lying. It has cultish aspects, so there has to be a plan for how to deprogram people from a cult.

[-] Saleh@feddit.org 21 points 2 months ago

As long as it is a political party it is entitled to double digit millions every year in state party financing.

If it is forbidden, it cannot be refounded with the same people and ideology and their wealth is seized.

It ia not comparable to "terrorist" organizations, that dont need to abide by some rules of the dominant order in order to be active.

The democratic system should not actively finance and aid those who want to destroy it.

Finally the ideology is legitimised every time it can be voted for legally, as it shows the ideology to be considered part of the acceptable political plurality

[-] Mrs_deWinter@feddit.org 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Killing the head of a terrorist organization won’t help if you don’t fix the underlying issues.

And yet we don't allow terrorist organizations to campaign for office, officially and supported by tax money, in our societies.

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