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submitted 9 hours ago by Charger8232@lemmy.ml to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

I am currently doing a deep dive into whether or not Chromium is more secure than Firefox, and I will make a very long and comprehensive Lemmy post outlining my findings with specific sources. I expected this to take a few days, maybe a week, but after finding out many of the claims for both sides give no real sources, I expect this to take a month or longer. I will be reaching out to multiple first-party sources (Mozilla, GrapheneOS, etc.) to get their detailed statements on the matter. I want to provide something that actually covers the full picture of the issue with up to date sources, to hopefully put this to rest for anyone who doesn't want to do the research.

I'm making this post in case anyone wants to provide any extra resources they have about the issue. Do not fight about this issue in the comments, save that until after I am able to release my work. I'm tired of the constant back and forth about this with little to no direct sources. This means that my other project, Open Source Everything, will be put on pause. The FAQ section of that very project is what sparked this, because I realized the issue was far more complex than I outlined in there. (Don't trust the information in the FAQ just yet: it is still in the works.)

As always, don't just give blind support to this just because I am making promises, but if you feel your support is needed then by all means go for it.

If any of you want me to turn this post into an update log, let me know and I will.

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[-] Godort@lemm.ee 53 points 8 hours ago

Ultimately, in terms of security, you're likely to find that both are similarly good.

What makes Firefox desirable over Chrome is that it's not beng developed by massive corporation that gets the majority of its profits selling user data and delivering targeted adverts.

The other thing that may act as a deciding factor is the "MacOS doesn't have viruses" effect. Wherein that because firefox has such a small userbase in comparison to chromium, it's far more profitable to find exploits in chromium.

[-] 0x0@programming.dev 1 points 3 hours ago

it’s not beng developed by massive corporation that gets the majority of its profits selling user data and delivering targeted adverts.

No but it's largely funded by one, now has "ad technology" and i wouldn't be surprised if it gets bought by Google sooner or later.

A fork in the horizon...

[-] ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world 10 points 6 hours ago

Chrome excites arbitrary code from google.com (this wasn’t something widely known until recently and appears to effect all the chromium downstream browsers). This sort of back door and the design approach that made google do this means you can never really trust Chrome. The same issue with Firefox would be a bug, in chrome it’s a feature.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 hours ago

Chrome excites arbitrary code from google.com (this wasn’t something widely known until recently and appears to effect all the chromium downstream browsers).

I hadn't heard about that. Can you link me to some info about it?

[-] Wildly_Utilize@infosec.pub 1 points 6 hours ago

ungoogled chromium removes this

[-] Charger8232@lemmy.ml 19 points 8 hours ago

What makes Firefox desirable over Chrome is that it’s not beng developed by massive corporation that gets the majority of its profits selling user data and delivering targeted adverts.

This is a separate issue of being able to trust developers, which is not being covered here. Projects like ungoogled-chromium exist, after all. I will be inspecting the software as a whole, and not any future interference that may happen.

[-] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 1 points 45 minutes ago* (last edited 44 minutes ago)

So you're taking the best aspects of any fork you can find? Trust in the developers is an essential part of the question.

If a piece of software passes every audit in the whole world, but is developed and maintained by the NSA, you'd be stupid to leave your data with it.

[-] bisby@lemmy.world 15 points 6 hours ago

It isn't just about ungoogling things though. Having a monoculture in the browser space means that if Google makes a push to favor ads, say by removing certain extension support from their browser engine that everyone uses, then the entire internet suffers. It is effectively a monopoly.

Mozilla tries really hard sometimes to be unappealing, but there is value in not just letting Google have full control over the internet.

[-] brrt@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 hours ago

So you are saying this should make Firefox exempt from scrutiny when it comes to how its security compares to that of Chromium?

[-] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

A mono culture is not secure.

[-] brrt@sh.itjust.works 1 points 53 minutes ago

Turning a blind eye is not secure.

[-] IzyaKatzmann@hexbear.net 11 points 8 hours ago

it's majorly funded by google, it's controlled opposition

[-] galileopie@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 hours ago

It would be no suprise if chromium is more secure but Firefox is more private.

[-] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Leaking privacy isn't secure.

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