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[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 7 points 21 hours ago

You realize that this is only going to train LLMs how to recognize "gibberish?"

[-] POTOOOOOOOO@reddthat.com 1 points 10 hours ago

This post is satirical

[-] prex@aussie.zone 3 points 20 hours ago

This is the correct answer.

The only only solution is to deeply integrate the gibberish into everything we post.

I, for one, welcome our insane (unsane?) overlords.

[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 3 points 16 hours ago

I don't see how that would be practical. People who aren't "in on the joke", as it were, will call out the gibberish and downvote it. If enough people are "in on the joke" then the whole forum becomes useless and some other forum will be created to fill the role of the original. The AI will train off of that one.

Basically, if you don't want an AI training on your content, then don't post your content in public where an AI will see it. The Fediverse is the last place you should be posting since its very nature is about openly broadcasting your content to whoever wants to see it.

[-] prex@aussie.zone 1 points 8 hours ago

OTOH people are better at filtering out, or at least recognising gibberish than LLMs. At least for now.

You are right about the fediverse being used for training content though.

I'm curious about the levels of bot posting compared to xitter etc. A low rate here would make it even more attractive to prevent model collapse.

[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 points 6 hours ago

Well, the "at least for now" part is my point - if people start using "gibberish" to communicate or to hide their communication, that provides training material for LLMs to let them figure out how to use it too.

LLMs learn how to communicate based on existing examples of communication. As long as humans are communicating with each other somehow then LLMs will be able to train how to do that too. They have the same communication capabilities that we do at this point, so there's not really any way we can make a secret clubhouse that they can't figure out how to infiltrate.

Personally, I think there's two main routes we can go to deal with this. Either we can simply accept that there's no way to be 100% sure we're talking to a human any more and evaluate the value of our conversation based on the content of the words spoken rather than the composition of the entity generating them, or we could come up with some kind of "proof of personhood" system to allow people to label the text the write as coming from them.

The latter is extremely hard to do, of course, both from a technical and cultural perspective. And such a system would likely still allow someone's "person token" to be sneakily used by AI, either by voluntarily delegating it (I could very well be retyping all of this out of a ChatGPT window) or through hackery.

So I'm inclined toward the former. If I'm chatting with someone and I'm having a good time doing it, and then later I find out it was a bot, why should that change how much fun I had?

this post was submitted on 19 Oct 2024
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