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Yes. There is an extremely arbitrary distinction made between the USA and Russia. Both are known for injecting spyware. China is somehow still okay? It makes no sense.
Not to mention the elephant in the room by not banning another certain country actively committing war crimes.
All software should be safety checked. Where the maintainer is from should be irrelevant.
But the most weird aspect is the timing. Why now and not a few years ago?
All part of the current US/NATO approved Overton Window, friend.
*Overton
Ha. Autocorrect strikes again! Fixed it and Thanks, for pointing it out.
China is too important a supplier to the West. Sanctions against them would lead to retaliatory sanctions against the West from China which would be economically devastating.
Obviously they are just as dangerous and as actively involved is espionage as the other world players, but they hold too many cards to risk escalation. The West is also too important to their economy to escalate beyond war games. At least - we all hope so.
Your world view seems to be highly influenced by propaganda. It's very easy to draw a distinction between these two countries. Let me start with an easy one:
Russia is a dictatorship, the US is a democracy.
Lmfao
Modern Russia is a shitty liberal "democracy" just as incompetent as the US's
No, it's not. But the US is closer to it than some Americans think.
I see why some people block lenny.ml. Many there put everything through a high-standard threshold function.
You're replying to someone from db0
Lemmy.ml is not the only place that believes the US isn't a democracy.
The US is an oligarchy. It's one of the things agreed by philosophers, including my teacher. The current controversy in the left surrounding the elections obviously proves this point.
If you think the oligarchs in America are the people up for a vote, you're completing misunderstanding what you're being told right now.
The candidates up for a vote represent the different oligarchs at feud.
I assume you're happy with the oligarch you got now?
I'm not saying the system works or rises to the level of good. I'm saying that it is much better than the Russian system. The people at least get to choose who they think they want, and which group of people will be whipped more.
America: we need military bases all over the world to surpress their population and steal their natural resources. This is why Israel must grow to expand our foothold in the middle east even at the cost of a genocide. We also overthrow democracies to replace them with authoritarian dictators when convenient to us.
You: Democracy!
People don't realize that the US founders explicitly modeled their new state on the Roman empire, with an expansionist aristocracy / slaveocracy controlling the state. The debates on this in the federalist papers are very explicit, as is the way they structured its government. Hell even half the buildings in washington DC are modelled after roman architecture.
If these mods here actually had high standards they would be banning the shitlibs on this thread
The commenter says as he repeats other propaganda.
The US is not and has never been a democracy. The US is an oligarchy.
Read The People’s History of the United States by Howard Zinn.
At best, it was for a while a Representative Democracy. Where people gave their vote to other people to vote for them.
The fact that most Americans think the US is not an oligarchy, today, is a testament to the power of the State and their corporate media to propagandized their own citizens. It is very rich for them to point to other country's Oligarchies and somehow absolutely fail to see their own. Or worse, call it some weird type of conspiracy to call out or point out reality.
I mean, it is not like it is not obvious if one takes a step back or two and looks at it objectively.
Your world view seems to be highly influenced by propaganda. A country ruled by two identical genocidal capitalist parties isn't a "democracy"; it's a capitalist dictatorship.
Any party genuinely wanting to advance working class causes will not be allowed to come to power through it (they won't be funded by the capitalist backers that fund/control the two ruling parties to begin with), and anyone in power that happens to hurt the country's imperial prowess will be disposed of by the ruling parties, the way JFK was assassinated for wanting to abolish the CIA and reducing US troops in the Middle East.
Read about Operation Condor. Its actions, repercussions and number of deaths due to it, and continue to pretend the USA follows Democratic Values™. And this is just but one example.
They are just better at PR than most. You are walking proof of it.
well yeah, how does us being democracy change the fact that they basically did almost everything that Russia did
"basically"
You'll be surprised if you actually challenge your convictions.
I did, and I found that the US does WORSE shit than Russia sometimes.
Russia ain’t good. Neither is the US. Get your head out of your ass.
Heard about what Russia has been doing in the occupied parts of Ukraine?
Heard about what the US did in Afghanistan? US soldiers raped a LOT of children before and after murdering their entire families.
America JUST exited a decades long war where the only results were death and destruction.
Tell me more about the US government requiring their soldiers to rape pre-teen girls then.
Or, you know, they really aren't the same.
Are you sure you want to compare how many wars the US has waged compared to Russia and how many people they've murdered each?
That commenter is doing you a favour by implying it's anywhere close.
Let's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet_Union_under_Joseph_Stalin
The current Russian govt is not aligned with Soviet principles or ideology, right?
And the Stalin period saw the Soviets fighting and defeating the Nazis in WW2. Does the calculation of excess mortalities account for such effects too?
Nazi instigators punished, famine caused by the effect of war, infrastructure damage by the Nazis, deaths in Nazi occupied areas. These things don't seem to be discussed much.
Invasion of Vietnam.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_in_the_Vietnam_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Afghanistan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemalan_genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_assassination_attempts_on_Fidel_Castro
https://dessalines.github.io/essays/us_atrocities.html#sources--starting-points
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese-American_internment_camps
And since the current Russia is seen as the extension of the Soviets:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_genocide_in_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_of_1876-1878
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_major_famines_in_India_during_British_rule
Which one is killing us faster? I'm pretty sure it's the USA. Nice that you get to live in a democracy I guess but that doesn't mean a damn thing to someone living outside the USA and being exploited and abused by it.
I'm in Sweden. The idea that the US is somehow more of a danger to us than Russia is laughable.
Russia invading is a statistical risk. The USA (as the leading avatar of capital) exploiting, degrading, and destroying the commons we need to survive is an unavoidable certainty. Russia and Sweden are also doing those things, but on a significantly lesser scale.
Maybe you should read the IPCC reports?
That's a lot to cover... I've learned so far that Russia is responsible for 4% of the world's CO_2 emissions, and that emissions in Russia and Ukraine have decreased fastest of all countries since 1990. That the USA is responsible for 28% of all emissions that have accumulated since the Industrial revolution, and that Russia has emitted 11%. Is there something specific you would like me to learn about?
In large part, it's simply a matter of scale and wealth concentration. If Canada was as large and wealthy as the USA, we'd probably all be cooked by now.
Climate change is not a risk to human survival. Please study the WG2 parts for the possible risks we're facing depending on when and how much action we take.
You're correct in that large parts of Russia don't have indoor toilets and proper sanitation. Not sure that's a positive.
Aaaaah hahahahaha i wish i could see your face while you were typing out this "lesson" omg. Sheeeeheehee i can't, i can't! were you proud of yourself when you hit reply, like "aw yeah gottem"?