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Ukraine to force another 160,000 men into military - official
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I have looked only at the name of the links and not the actual content (there are too many of them) - but I didn't notice anything about North Koreans being able to leave the country by means other than "illegally" crossing the border (this is the criterian I used to compare the countries)? If one of the links covers this topic I'd be interested in reading it.
I mean they have a grand total of 3 borders of which one is shoot to kill zone, and while they have to get passport and probably visa too they can go to China and Russia, though the numbers aren't that high afaik. This is the norm for cold war time in which they de facto still are thanks to the USA, and this is very far from what is currently happening in Ukraine, first and foremost there is no open war and they aren't send up into the meat grinder.
So it's not a problem for North Koreans to obtain a passport and cross the border into China/Russia (and from there to any other country, of course provided that that country will let them in)? From what I've heard it's next to impossible, but if that's just western/American propaganda I'd like to read some articles and learn something new.
I guess it's probably as hard as let's say getting a permit to travel to western country for a citizen of socialist Ukrainian SSR, but even if they were literally welded to place it would still be nowhere near as bad as in Ukraine where the main problem is not being unable to leave but getting kidnapped and thrown into artillery fire. Again not in the slightest similar thing.
Well, I wasn't saying that NK kidnaps and massacres its citizens like Zelensky's regime does, I was referring to not being able to leave the country, and in that regard the regimes seems similar to me.
You wrote this, context is rather clear:
But what is the contradiction here? :)
In my mind North Korea associates with people being unable to leave it (which you don't deny), Zelensky did the same to Ukraine, therefore the analogy.
You are comparing a western nazi puppet who has to be forcibly stopped from comitting genocide with a communist country desperately defending themselves from west for 80 years and being a victim of genocide. Those are polar opposites even if they have some things in common, like i bet people in both countries also drink water.
There can be no justification for mass forbidding people to leave the country.
This is exactly the same justification Zelensky is using. Both are wrong.
What no historical materialism does to a mfer.
Socialist countries in Europe also did restricted the freedom of travel and turned out for a good reason, to not be destroyed. Ukraine does this for a reason to murder its own people. You can't even get a difference so basic, you should really stop.
Well, it seems that we won't come to an agreement here.
As I said, for me mass forbidding people to leave the country is unjustifiable. If some regime does it, whatever the reason, it deserves to be destroyed, and I wholeheartedly support the destruction of that regime. I wouldn't like to live under such a regime and wouldn't wish it for other people.
And yeah, I'm not going to stop caring about mine and other people's freedom :)