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Europe must take responsibility for its security, Polish FM says after Trump's win (kyivindependent.com)

submitted 1 month ago by LaFinlandia@sopuli.xyz to c/ukraine@sopuli.xyz

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[-] felis_catus_domesticus@toot.io 4 points 1 month ago

@LaFinlandia well, that's been true since 1949..

it's only the Europeans who are suddenly waking up this. DE have been underperforming NATO slackers since day 1.
Now the chickens come home to roost.

[-] lurch@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

To be fair, it really looked like we were about to achieve world peace like 15 years ago. EU didn't expect russia to start a war etc.. In my region they minimized the military over and over, as it seemed we had no enemies.

[-] felis_catus_domesticus@toot.io 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

@lurch True, but it seems that since 1991 the Poles and Romanians have operated under a very different perspective and understanding of history. Probably because the threat was closer to their front door.

[-] felis_catus_domesticus@toot.io 0 points 1 month ago

@lurch it really looked like we were about to achieve world peace

A naieve way to read & think about history

[-] lurch@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

Back then, we were thinking about the future, not the past. The Iraq war was coming to an end and all other conflicts seemed to have stalled. None of them involved us anyway and our politicians often offered their help in peace negotiations. It felt, like we were generally respected and had no enemies. Maybe we really had none, but then the fire nation attacked and of course we backed Ukraine and now we have an enemy again.