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“It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them,” Sanders said.

“First, it was the white working class, and now it is Latino and Black workers as well. While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right.”

“Will the big money interests and well-paid consultants who control the Democratic Party learn any real lessons from this disastrous campaign?” Sanders asked.

“Will they understand the pain and political alienation that tens of millions of Americans are experiencing? Do they have any ideas as to how we can take on the increasingly powerful Oligarchy which has so much economic and political power? Probably not.”

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[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 38 points 1 month ago

In Nebraska

Uh, that's your answer. It's not a magic incantation to win regardless of the odds, but in a presidential election that's by default 50/50?

[-] UsernameHere@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

If the problem was that democrats did not support the working class enough then why didn’t the union leader win? This isn’t magic or rocket science. Many people thought democrats were responsible for the high inflation because they don’t know macro economics.

[-] vmaziman@lemm.ee 19 points 1 month ago

I think what’s missing is the anger. Trump can tap into anger. Bernie could also. The independent didn’t have the base of anger that the GOP did

[-] UsernameHere@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Anger definitely motivated some but I know many moderates that were convinced democrats were responsible for the inflation.

[-] vmaziman@lemm.ee 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

But they were right! Dems did contribute to inflation (not as much as Trump but still)…Student loan forgiveness not explicitly tied to higher taxes on rich and corps, cutting back on subsidies to defense, oil, and corn syrup, while also not breaking up monopolies which create an environment of price gouging gave merit to the “democrats give out free cash and devalue it all”

Democrats did cause inflation. They did it by not clipping the wings of our oligarchs when supplying aid.

Biden kept his promise “nothing will fundamentally change” and the American electorate unimpeachably rejected it.

The main thing with Sanders campaign was it didn’t feel like a “democrats” vs “republicans”

It was us vs the billionaires

But the DNC could never bear to alienate their biggest donors.

[-] UsernameHere@lemmy.world -4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Biden was calling out price gouging throughout his whole presidency.

Harris lost this election because she said she was going to tax the billionaires and so they funded the campaign against her.

For you to throw her under the bus after the billionaires campaigned against her is just going to ensure no future politicians will challenge the billionaire class again.

[-] sacredfire@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Harris had more billionaire donors than Trump and she out-raised him almost by $700 million. Of course there was plenty of dark money floating around and Musk dropped a ton of money into Pennsylvania, but don’t act as if Biden and Harris were working class darlings. Calling out price gouging is all good and well, and realistically, there’s only so much the president can do legally to combat inflation, but he did have the bully pulpit and a little bit of lip service to price gouging was not enough obviously. He could’ve been out there daily essentially doxing these companies and their ceos putting the fear of God in them.

Populism is a dirty word to the establishment, but both Trump and Bernie are populists. In fact, the first part of their message is essentially the same: America is going to shit, the Economy is terrible, and you’re getting fucked. The difference, of course, is that Trump points the finger at immigrants and others as the reason why this happening, while Bernie points the finger at the Oligarchs. The true power of populism is the threat of using the majority against the minority. It’s why it can lead to violence and mob rule.

People want someone to pay for the pain they are feeling, Trump is doing that, although of course it’s completely misguided and fucked up. The Democrats are not willing to do that. At some point, they’re going to need a Teddy Roosevelt like figure who comes along and essentially says to them, “hey listen I know it’s crazy, but if we don’t do something about the wealth inequality and the ruling class, we’re all gonna get our heads chopped off.”

[-] UsernameHere@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The polls show that voters were motivated by inflation. Republicans and the billionaire class convinced enough voters that things like taxing the rich was part of the problem.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

If the problem was that democrats did not support the working class enough then why didn’t the union leader win?

He had the albatross of a poor up-ballot candidate around his neck. Same reason most Democrats lost: The party didn't get people to go out and vote because they didn't appeal to workers, which hurt every candidate that wasn't Republican.

[-] UsernameHere@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

Voters are literally saying it was because of inflation during Biden presidency.

Democrats lost because they planned to tax the billionaire class so the billionaires funded the campaign against them.

[-] Bookmeat@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Except Democrats outspent Republicans by a large margin. This wasn't an election lost from a lack of donations.

[-] UsernameHere@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Donations are on the books. Things like Elon Musk buying votes are not on the books. The billionaire class did not want Harris to tax them.

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 month ago

It’s not a magic incantation to win regardless of the odds

Sorry, I guess I should have said this twice. You don't win Nebraska just by touching up the progressive message a little. Propaganda still exists, party loyalty still exists, racism still exists. But he did a hell of a lot better than any slow and steady liberal candidate would do. And in races that aren't in deep red states, doing better is enough to win.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 1 month ago

Why are you still here? The election is over, you got what you wanted. Just fucking leave.

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 month ago
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