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There's only one country with even a remotely similar legislation, that being Australia. Facebook got the amendments it wanted before the Australian Code received royal assent.
If you're going to cry foul about how Facebook is following the legislation Canada is putting in place, you'll need to try harder than that.
The legislation isn't even in place yet, and FB are acting like Trudeau just nut punched Zuckerburg.
FB didn't want to talk. If they did, they would say they are in talks.
What FB wanted, was to be a bully and have the law repealed. Not have it adjusted.
Please stop rehashing the same dead argument over and over and whining about Facebook being a bully when they're very clearly following the terms of the legislation and this outcome was very clearly predictable. News publishers are not victims of bullying, they're victims of their own legislation. And no Meta never once asked for the bill to be dropped, they expressed concerns around wording and requested some amendments; so did Alphabet. Ask yourself why Meta is fine paying news organizations in Australia but not Canada.
Further, as others have already pointed out in this thread and in others on this topic, the bill has received royal assent. The only next step is the Coming into force, which will happen 180 days after that. So whether Meta pulls news now or in 180 days really doesn't matter: the effects, the impacts and the results will be the same. Others have also given the extreme example that if a country that had no legislation around murder were to pass a bill making murder illegal, you wouldn't run around murdering as many people as possible until that act came into force. It's the same idea here.
Keep also in mind that the Online News Act grants the CRTC the ability to name any company it wants at any point as a "digital news intermediary". So this act could have far reaching consequences on much more than Meta and Alphabet in the long term. And it's very likely that any other platform they name will also drop Canadian news for the simple reason that Canadian News needs social media, but the reverse isn't true at all.
They actually refused to go to the table and negotiate, contrary to Alphabet, which is why they're treated differently.
You're misunderstanding the reporting on that. Articles like this state that Meta is not negotiating, but what this actually means is "Meta is not negotiating contracts with hundreds of Canadian news publishers".
Three takeaways:
As for discussing the terms of Bill C-18 prior to its royal assent, both Meta and Alphabet have equally and, in both Meta's case and Alphabet's case, publicly shared their concerns, feedback and recommendations on the Bill. No amendments to the legislation were ever made.
The only reason Meta is getting more flack from Canadian News is because they acted now, while the topic is hot, whereas Alphabet will act later. Articles like the one OP linked to can't be used to villify Alphabet because they're not yet blocking news.
No, you're the one who's misinterpreting what's going on. Alphabet sent people to find common ground with the Canadian government by negotiating with them directly, Meta refused to do so, they shared their concerns publicly and that was it, they didn't budge and said they wanted to make an example of Canada.
https://www.ledevoir.com/politique/canada/794075/le-federal-suspend-ses-publicites-sur-facebook-et-instagram
Le ministre a précisé qu’Alphabet n’est pas touchée par cette annonce, puisque la société mère du moteur de recherche Google travaille à « trouver une solution » avec le gouvernement.I can't believe the number of people (especially Anglophones) defending the platforms instead of the medias.
I have no clue what you're arguing anymore to be honest, because ultimately it has nothing to do with anything I wrote initially. The article you linked to was written on July 6th and, as the very quote you provided states, "[Alphabet] travaille à « trouver une solution » avec le gouvernement". Yes, it's true Alphabet is continuing to discuss things with the government and that was also included in the link I provided if you bothered to take 2 seconds to read it. It's also true that Alphabet has not yet blocked news as they weigh their options.
As for Meta, yes, you're right that they've chosen not to pursue discussions or negotiations after Bill C-18 received royal assent. This is correct. However, it still has absolutely nothing to do with discussing amendments prior to Bill C-18 receiving royal assent.
À la fin de la journée, une loi stupide demeure une loi stupide. Si tu veux faire la victime et brailler parce qu'une plate-forme de réseau social (que tout le monde déteste de toute façon) décide qu'elle veut retirer les nouvelles plutôt que de payer pour des liens partagés par ses utilisateurs – ou si un jour un moteur de recherche dont le but est d'indexer les pages Web en ligne décide de faire la même chose parce que ça va à l'encontre du fonctionnement du Web, vas-y fort, braille. Ce n'est pas défendre Meta d'affirmer qu'ils suivent la loi comme elle est prescrite. Et ce n'est pas non plus défendre Meta (ou Alphabet ou quiconque) de dire que la loi est stupide, qu'elle pourrait avoir un impact néfaste sur d'autres entreprises nommées par le CRTC sans les mêmes moyens financiers, et que de forcer les entités (entreprises, organismes et, un jour sûrement, les individus) à payer pour le partage ou l'indexage de liens sur internet établit un très mauvais précédent.
Forcer les compagnies à payer pour le travail des gens qui leur font réaliser des profits sera toujours une bonne chose.