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From talking to people who sat this out, it seems Biden ending the rail union strike was a huge factor, and the cost of groceries was a close second. They wanted to vote against him in the primaries and were denied that opportunity.
Kamala was guilty by association.
Well, that and the fact she did not address these issues in her messaging. Or if she did the message didn't reach them. "She said things aren't so bad, but I can't afford groceries. She won't fix anything."
He made sure the strike succeeded, and ended the strike as well. It’s a pure optics fail, which does not contradict your point at all, but does make it more poignant.
As for the groceries: that’s a genuine failure of Biden’s administration. He kept going for student loans but he should have gone for the grocers raising egg and dairy prices - no Republican court in the world would have survived the fallout from blocking that.
Crazy because Biden actually came back after that and won a contract for railworkers, including paid sick leave that was so influential around the time Congress passed the contact the first time around.
Other than that though, I agree. Too little too late for Democrats. There were so many wins under Biden's administration, and none of it was ever messaged to the American people.
The right move was to do nothing. The rail corporation would have folded within hours. If the railways shutting down is a national emergency, then nationalize the company. Our nation's critical infrastructure should not be held hostage by a for profit corporation.
Oh and can someone explain to me why the rail bill was split into two convenient parts so one could not pass? Fuck that. Most pro labor union president ever? Fuck off with your gaslighting.
Same for all the dickriding people did over biden stepping down, hailing him as a hero who did a huge sacrifice. As though he didn't fight to keep in the race every step of the way. So long that we conveniently couldn't hold a real democratic primary.
Fuck that. No amount of correcting the record will change what we all saw with our eyes.
I agree with pretty much all of this. You have to weight it all.
Corporations should not own and operate such critical infrastructure like the railroads I agree. Same as the grid, water systems, natural gas/district heating (ha if that'll ever happen), parking spaces, telco, etc. There are just some things that should be owned by the masses because they're used by the masses.
I think the bill was weaker the first time around so that Dems could get Reps on board, and then I'd like to say that it wasn't even a bill to get the sick leave. The article I posted points to Biden's administration specifically and the Transportation and Labor departments. Likely pressure on the backend to get railroads to cave.
Oh I didn't hail Biden as a hero at all for him stepping down. He waited until the last fucking moment. And it was so fucking cringe when Kamala and the DNC would thank Biden for his service... Like wtf his own ego got us there in the first place???? Why couldn't he have stepped down earlier and given us an actual primary???
But then when he did step down, the timing was so critical that in order to not lose more of the base, Dems had to go full Kamala. I think holding a primary at the DNC probably would have angered donors a lot more since the primary would have been stolen from the American people, and who knows where that would have gone given the sentiment people had towards Biden.
I didn't agree with the Biden dickriders at the time either. Many of them would use the comparison of voting for a ham sandwich over Trump, but that sentiment, vote for me because I'm not them, is so lame and doesn't really inspire any motivation in the Democratic party's base. It's the same rhetoric that Kamala used, and imo that rhetoric is what contributed to her campaign failing. You need a carrot as much as a stick to persuade your base.
This whole past election cycle was botched absolutely. But I want to get to the bottom of why we got here in the first place, and my focus has been to blame and scold the political careerists in the Democratic Party proper who have taken up power and who don't want to let it go, even if it means breaking from the centrist establishment to court pro-labor and progressive values and supporters.
Biden is to blame, Kamala is to blame, Hillary is to blame, Obama is to blame for why we're here now. People are tired of their party not giving the concessions they said they would, and not fighting the fight against rising fascism and extremism. We need a strong counter weight to what Trump represents, and centrism is not the answer.