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While I do think she has gone against the grain of the broken system and would be a great choice, thinking another woman and especially a woman is color will win over the racist misogynistic US populace, I think you'll be disappointed.
But who knows what will come of an actual fair primary if we even have elections in the future.
Obama won, with record turnout and vote count. Clinton won the popular vote in 2016, despite her severe unlikeability and controversial history.
While it is important to recognize the role that white supremacy and misogyny have, it has demonstrably not been a hard ceiling.
What if the US populace is not misogynistic. Perhaps Clinton and Harris were just bad candidates.
It's always "it's not all women, just not this woman" when it comes to presidential misogyny.
I think the best bet for getting a woman in the white house is to have a major TV show where a popular actress plays the president, and then have that actress run for president afterwards. Americans are so unimaginative that they probably need the visual example, and then some are probably stupid enough to think they're voting for the incumbent.
To illustrate your point. Americans would vote for Oprah.
Dear gods no she gave us Dr Phil it's the tv version of the clap
I didn't say she would (or wouldn't) be a good president. I'm just saying people would definitely vote for her.
I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just registering my horror early in case this happens. You know what they say, if you can't be happy, you might as well be right.
It worked for donvict after he was given that GD game show - a whole lot of people think he's a businessman, and a successful one at that.
Clinton still won the popular, and Harris had the background of inflation. I think if AOC had similar circumstances, she probably would have lost, too. Even though I would looooove to see her as President.
Now, maybe, if she runs after 4 years of donvict fucking all kinds of things up....hard to say. She'd probably be running against "JD" "Vance" who is a white guy, so....
I don't think gender or color is as big a barrier than who the person is. IMO Harris was a better choice than Clinton, still a piss poor choice, not even close to someone I would choose to vote for. If I had a choice that is. Pick a woman of any color that has the fight in her and the policies and fortitude to follow through on an actual populist agenda; I think she would succeed.
I think we've had enough of the "we hope we might be able to give you the change that you mandated but we're not really gonna try and if you point that out FUCK YOU!" candidate the dems always push on us.
She doesn't need to win over the racists. If there's anything we can learn from the last few election cycles is that you win elections by convincing your existing base to go out and vote, and to do that you need to give them something to believe in and something to vote for.
I think AOC would absolutely kill that.
I certainly can't prove this and it may be me being optimistic but I don't buy the "it's just misogyny" claim. Clinton and Harris represent the two furthest right candidates that have ever run for president on the Dem side and I think their spectacular failures owe more to that than anything else.
Okay, this notion is just incorrect. Harris, during her time as senator, was one of the most left leaning senators out of all Democrats. Her votes almost completely aligned with Bernie Sanders.
Was misogyny THE reason Harris loss, probably not; but it definitely played a meaningful role. During the campaign race, there were a lot of information being pushed to American citizens. It was up to us to process the information and choose what to believe and what to throw away. Post-election, we are learning that people were judging Harris based on false premises. Americans were willing to believe a lot of bullshit about Harris, whereas Trump got the opposite treatment: Americans willingfully ignored terrible truths about Trump. I think misogyny played a role in defining this difference in how we treated information regarding each candidates.
Senator Harris would have been a far better candidate than Presidential Hopeful Harris.
I was initially accepting that she had a chance at winning precisely because of her liberal senate career... unfortunately whether because she changed genuinely or because dumbass political consultants told her to shift strategy she ended up taking a hard right turn during the campaign. Maybe it didn't help that Walz was so obviously more progressive than her. Maybe Russian interference really did amplify pro-Palestinian voices. Who knows.
I genuinely believe Warren and AoC would out perform the shitshow Harris delivered.
I will say that picking him was a stroke of genius, though. Any chance of getting an AOC/Walz ticket? Or a Walz/AOC ticket?
That’s the whole point of the primary. To find out. We had no primary for Harris.
Or Biden really.
Haven't had a primary without a preordained winner since 2008.
Been calling this for the past week. The "Harris lost because she's a woman of color" narrative was an excuse for blocking an AOC run.
Harris lost because moving to the right doesn't peel off Republican votes, but it sure as fuck alienates the base.