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Why do people on reddit seem to hate Lemmy/Mbin/other federated link aggregators? (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by Yingwu@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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I was just reading this post https://old.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1gmv76n/is_reddit_going_to_remain_the_primary_space_for/ and many barely see the fediverse as an alternative and they seem to have a negative bias towards it. Super ironic when it comes to the self-hosting community. Yes, some instances are problematic, yes, some devs might have had problematic views. But it doesn't really matter when it's federated and FOSS. I think it's clear-cut that the selfhosting community on Lemmy is a perfect alternative to reddit. Why is there such a negative bias?

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[-] Shatur@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

But you are trying to make something bad look good. Mao is a bad person.

No, you implied that if someone likes Mao, then they support killing. And I said that it's not the case - Marxists like him because of the good things he did and condemn the murders.

Really, this is best you could find?

You said that they wish Ukrainians death. I said that I doubt it and provided messages that prove my point. You made up their statements and are arguing against them.

Consider this thread as an example. Read what they actually say. You blame only Russia, they think NATO plays important role as well. But no normal person wants the war, that's what I trying to say.

you wouldn’t call it genocidal imperialism? Just war, right?

If the violence is the primary goal, then it's called genocide.

I also doubt that Russia banned the Ukrainian language or sent people to torture camps for speaking it. Could you provide a source for this?

Why shouldn’t I want them to meet the same fate... Can you explain this to me? You keep ignoring this point.

I answered a few messages above. I doubt that the devs wish harm to Ukraine or people in general. And even if they did, you would be no better than them 🤷

[-] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Of course, they support the killing. If they didn't, they wouldn't glorify Mao; a mass murders and an authoritarian scumbag.

Yes, they do wish Ukrainians death. They support the russian invasion and the russian occupation. The instance is rife with cheering for the russian army.

The NATO stuff is a ruse. Just a way to cover their support for genocidal imperialism. Ukraine was neutral ... wait for it ... before the russians invaded.

That thread is a cesspool of support russian genocidal imperialim.

Communists want the war to end and blame NATO for provoking and prolonging it.

This basically means we want russia to win to conduct more atrocities likes in Bucha. Just wild uncontrolled killing of civilians, rape and destruction. And Bucha is just one example that got in the news. There are mass graves in Izyum. Russians targeting civilians with drones in Kherson. Russians bombing a children's cancer hospital with cruise missile.

But no, NATO made them do it! And not a word about russian atrocities.

I also doubt that Russia banned the Ukrainian language or sent people to torture camps for speaking it. Could you provide a source for this?

You do know how to use web search, right? You're just going to say some non-sequitur about NATO and bla bla bla or that it's all made up.

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-prisons-civilians-torture-detainees-88b4abf2efbf383272eed9378be13c72

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/05/europe/ukrainian-civilians-detained-russian-prisons-intl-cmd/index.html

https://khpg.org/en/1608814097

I answered a few messages above. I doubt that the devs wish harm to Ukraine or people in general. And even if they did, you would be no better than them 🤷

That's not what I asked though.

We both agree that lemmygrad actively support the russian invasion of Ukraine. They cheer on the invasion and call for russian military success? Is this not true?

I asked you why I shouldn't hate them for it? Nothing to do with being no better them or whatever. I asked why I shouldn't hate people who support the invasion of my country and wish me harm?

[-] Shatur@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Of course, they support the killing.

Let's see what they actually say.

Yes, they do wish Ukrainians death.

This basically means we want russia to win to conduct more atrocities likes in Bucha.

Well, I’m not sure how you’re interpreting this from the link I provided. You just making up their statements. I don’t want to have to cite their comments every time just to provide a counter-claim.

You’re just going to say some non-sequitur about NATO

AP is a credible source, and there’s no doubt that Russian forces have harmed civilians. However, the claim that all Ukrainians who speak their language are imprisoned is questionable. For instance, Chechen is an official language in Russia despite two wars with Russia. Additionally, Russia provides citizenship to all Ukrainians, why would they imprison people for their native language? The article you referenced cites Radio Svoboda, which has ties to the CIA, so it's not a reliable source.

I asked you why I shouldn’t hate them for it?

I think my answer is correct. You’re accusing them of supporting murder, yet you wish harm upon them yourself. If you prefer analogies, it's like condemning murder while being guilty of it yourself.

[-] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I told you would downplay russian atrocities and come up with some CIA word salad. You've never been to Ukraine, you don't speak Ukrainian and you dare lecture me and tell me that russian invasion is not that bad?

Get fucked, you vile tankie! I hope the very atrocities you deny will catch up to you one day!