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[-] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de -2 points 1 month ago

You're implying that I'm the one setting up a strawman by claiming that people are acting a certain way. This is from my personal experience. I'm not accusing you or everyone here of being a tankie but it seems like everybody here identifies as one. Maybe we have a different definition of the word. I was trying to clarify my definition.

You’d prefer to Balkanize China into a several million anarchist direct democracy communes? Or what? How would that work in 2024?

No, and I don't think any smart anarchist is advocating for some crazy revolution involving a coup or whatever. I advocate for building strong local communities, that are heavily interconnected. "Communes" as such are kind of impossible since most people live in cities anyway. We need to build resilient networks that can slowly replace oppressive centralized power. Personally I also don't subscribe to only 100% anarchism, my ideology is also influenced by socialism, syndicalism and marxism.

[-] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago

We need to build resilient networks that can slowly replace oppressive centralized power.

hmm, maybe a truly massive party with many cadres around the country? perhaps? maybe?

I advocate for building strong local communities, that are heavily interconnected.

Are you 100% sure there's nothing like this in China?

so how to do this neat leftcom kind of stuff, without some kind of centralization, when also you simultaneously need to

  • modernize your country, literally everything from agriculture, to healthcare and heavy industry and so on
  • defend yourself from antagonistic countries
  • defend yourself from giant multinational corpos who'd jump at the chance to plunder your resources
  • defend yourself from fascist/monarchist elements inside your country

I mean in actual practice in a real historical scenario?

[-] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 month ago

This debate went way off the rails, but maybe tell me about how you think things should go. For example what would be a way for the US to transition to communism.

[-] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

Nah, I give up at this point and Xi only paid me for this long, my shift is over.
Read Parenti and others.

[-] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 month ago

Alright, well thanks for engaging with me I know I was ruffling feathers.

[-] m532@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 month ago

For usa to transition to communism we first need to strike them with missiles until their whole military & propaganda apparatus is completely destroyed

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