435
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 19 Nov 2024
435 points (94.1% liked)
politics
19241 readers
1713 users here now
Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!
Rules:
- Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.
Example:
- Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
- Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
- No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
- Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
- No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
That's all the rules!
Civic Links
• Congressional Awards Program
• Library of Congress Legislative Resources
• U.S. House of Representatives
Partnered Communities:
• News
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
Once again, they are only looking at the people who DID vote... Those people always vote, and clearly the proportion of blue "always voters" is dwindling compared to red "always voters". Yes ignorant voters lean red, but it doesn't matter. Stop pretending like there's a huge swath of "swing" voters. There's not. Trump got basically the same votes this time. This election came down to the 10 million Biden voters who stayed home for Kamala. That's it. All the rest of this is nonsense bullshit propaganda to obscure the truth. Why didn't they come out for Kamala??
God forbid Biden were to have run again, it would've still been a landslide, and he aint a woman. Maybe old as shit, but there is still a lot more common issues people grew to not like so much about Biden, then Kamala said she wouldnt be any different from.
I dump this comment because I personally believe reductive narrative will hurt our ability to effectively work together, and probably the biggest part the dems failed.
No informed voter thought Trump would be better for Palestine than Kamala. Remember, people say one thing publicly when their private reasons are actually less popular.
The conservative Muslims who claimed they loved Palestine voted for Republicans because they are conservative. They are using the Palestinian people as political pawns, just like Hamas. They share conservative values with Republicans based on cultural issues. They differ on the justification for it, but they are all supporters of hierarchy. Same with conservative Latinos.
It's not popular to say "I like hierarchy and I want to be on top". Many supporters of hierarchy claim they love "individual rights" when they really want privileges for themselves. That's the reason why some people love the "Bill of Rights" but hate equality.
That doesn't change the dems abetting a regime currently committing a genocide. Don't forget over half the nation doesn't vote. It was never about changing already fixed or the elusive swing voters minds, it was about getting people out. Its a little harder to when the voter is aware of a moral conflict regarding their vote, regardless of your percieved political intentions of theirs. Are you doubting a significant amount of voters abstained? Because theres gotta be some reason trump had basically the same turnout while dems lost significantly.
I don't understand your point, is this in relation to conservative arabs?
I made this point elsewhere but it was also far easier to vote in 2020 (in swing states especially).
That is true as well. My state still had mail in so personally I found it no more easier or difficult. Pardon for being shouldacouldawoulda, but in that case vote accessiblilty should've been a top priority for the dems after all of the 2020 bs.
In my humble opinion it was no larger a part than any other potential matter. I mean we're still counting and it has inched closer... nowhere to hope, but I genuinely believe if everyone turned out to vote, we wouldnt have to worry this stuff so much
I think this really should be their goal, and they should trade things to get there. Like, who cares about needing an ID to vote, if you can use voter ID as leverage to get free national ID cards for everyone? (I'm not saying you can, but try?) Exchange president's day as a holiday for election day....make voting access an actual priority.
My point is, most people don't actually care about Palestine enough to sway their votes. Same with most genocides. People don't like them but think other issues are more important. People care about issues that affect them directly. If they're not voting, it means they don't think a decision will affect them (rightly or wrongly).
Conservative Muslims (not Arabs, they're different) mention Palestine as a distraction. They were always going to vote Republican because they are conservative and have conservative values.
Yes they do, and the votes speak for themselves. How is anything more important then genocide? Your comment is racist and disgusting.
So, fill in the blanks with the most abhorent shit you can garner, I've got to listen to some nice vitriol myself. You see why generalization, is very much a slippery slope?
If you ever care to be a voice of reason and possibly convince people to vote in their own best interest despite being inundated with propaganda against so, then you will learn something from this.
8.6% of Biden voters didn't show up for Kamala. That's hardly "most"... In fact it seems like a pretty reasonable percent of the left who might actually care more about the morality of their vote than any other concern. Those are the people we're talking about.
"They are using the Palestinian people as political pawns, just like Hamas."
Sir, with all due respect I don't think you understand what you are talking about regarding Hamas.
Also no informed voter would actually believe Kamala to be better than Trump is maybe what you meant to say?
The Biden-Harris administration has already rubber stamped the annihilation of the Palestinian people. Every red line was blown through and no significant consequences except them bypassing congress to send more weapons to Israel every few weeks. The worst administration for the Palestinian people all-time is Genocide Joe and Holocaust Harris.
Why does anyone on Earth think she would change from that position when time and time again she preached her allegiance to Israel and no change in policy from Biden?
Do people listen to the shit she says?
And for all the bluemaga soldiers coming to tell me she said talked about a ceasefire - she was also once a proponent of medicare for all and an opponent of fracking. How did those lies work out?
Now that the election is over, nothing has changed either.
Kamala is a joke just like Trump, liberals are just better at hiding their racism than republicans.
We're not talking about the people who DID vote. It's the people who didn't vote who mattered in this election. Specifically the ones who voted last time but not this time. And many of the ones who didn't vote, made it clear they COULDN'T bring themselves to vote for genocide, and being given no option to not vote for genocide, their only choice was to sit it out. It was a moral decision.
It's not reductive to acknowledge that we have a sexism problem.
When mostly white and hispanic men voted for Biden but not Harris then it's hard to pretend like that has to do with the economy or some other shit.
Biden and Harris have the exact same policies, white and hispanic men voted for Biden but stayed home for Harris, logically you have to accept it was about being a woman.
I believe I conceded that some voters may have had sexism play a part, but being cynical and avoiding crtitique wont get the party anywhere. Its really easy to just say shit, but coming up with solutions is harder. So if its just sexism, I'd like to hear your 5 step plan to mend this qualm.
Maybe that was part of the issue, when voters want change, how is that supposed to help?
Let's be real if they had progressive policies they wouldn't be the Democratic party anymore
But if people actually gave a shit about policy then they would have voted for Bernie in 2016, and we all know how electable he was
You can't pretend that people suddenly care about policy because they never fucking have
This was sexism plain and simple
A bunch of man children got a small pp and stayed home when they realized that a woman may outrank them
Okay and again, how does this solve anything? People dont have to care about policy to know they don't want more of the same. I get why you're frustrated, but you can't think you know this reason when I don't even fully, but at the very least try not to be reductionist? Because it actively sabotages any progress to constantly infight on demographic blame.
I just noticed each of my notifications have been yours in order, I dont know if you want to prove your reasoning or are just here to argue, but I suggest you actually read about half of what Ive said if you genuinely care why reason lost this election.
Millions of people did vote for Bernie, and he absolutely would have won the general... Clinton and her minions rigged the primary. The right doesn't care about policy, but the left, especially the moral "Bernie" left absolutely care about policy. The sexists who can't bring themselves vote for a woman are right-wing voters and always have been. The idea that the left is filled with blatant sexists is delusional.
How convenient that it's the voters that have to change and not the democrats.
The gender gap in voting narrowed slightly this year, so I feel like this isn't supported by the available evidence. If you could chalk this up to just misogyny you would expect that gap to have widened rather than narrowed
https://apnews.com/article/trump-harris-gender-gap-votecast-05672b6426cb5965c446ae2871d97eaf
Wrong about mostly everything. Sexism is a part of it, but way smaller than you think it is. Kamala is not popular at all, and the dems are a dying party in their unilateral support of Israel and genocide.
Kamala had the worst speeches and the most disgusting conversations with people during Q&As. She was never going to win. She has no spine and doesn't stand for anything, the biggest puppet we've ever seen.
Tammy Baldwin, Jacky Rosen, and Elissa Slotkin are all women who won senate races in states Kamala lost. It's difficult to imagine a scenario involving Kamala losing in which we have more compelling evidence than that that it wasn't because of sexism.
She lost because she was a bad candidate running a bad campaign. The fact that she got to skip the primary, after bombing out of the one in 2020, meant that she was completely unproven and there was no reason to think she had even halfway decent political instincts, and her campaign very clearly demonstrated that she didn't.
Have you seen a demographics poll of the 7 million Biden voters who stayed home? I've been looking. If you found one can you share it please? Thanks