I agree with that, but this is a political discussion on a messageboard so that's what is haplening here. This is what lemmy is for.

Look at their reasons. There is major crossover on reasons why people voted for Trump.

You should look into the Trump/AOC voters and their reasons why.

"They are using the Palestinian people as political pawns, just like Hamas."

Sir, with all due respect I don't think you understand what you are talking about regarding Hamas.

Also no informed voter would actually believe Kamala to be better than Trump is maybe what you meant to say?

The Biden-Harris administration has already rubber stamped the annihilation of the Palestinian people. Every red line was blown through and no significant consequences except them bypassing congress to send more weapons to Israel every few weeks. The worst administration for the Palestinian people all-time is Genocide Joe and Holocaust Harris.

Why does anyone on Earth think she would change from that position when time and time again she preached her allegiance to Israel and no change in policy from Biden?

Do people listen to the shit she says?

And for all the bluemaga soldiers coming to tell me she said talked about a ceasefire - she was also once a proponent of medicare for all and an opponent of fracking. How did those lies work out?

Yeah like those people who voted for the people actively funding a genocide that somehow believe the vote they were casting was for less genocide.

That is an amazing brain trick.

It's way less than that. Like 35% of eligible voters did not vote.

You're mad because it's true.

What do you think the US is doing regarding Israel?

Holy cope batman

Makes you wonder why it was allowed it to happen at all. It's not as if Biden wasn't showing signs of aging the limited times he was seen in public on the first go-round. He should have been primaried again, but it was worth it for them to lose the Whitehouse to Trump 2x. This should be a layup for a major political party to be in opposition of, but old Bernie was too extreme for the corporate warhawk democrats because he wanted to tax the rich.

Here's the truth: the democrats don't give a shit about democracy and they sure as hell don't give a shit about you.

The thing you don't understand is whatever they are doing in Palestine they are willing to do to you. What do you think all of the death and destruction Israel has brought there is going to create? Peace and happiness? Kumbaya guitar circles? I wait to see what karma brings.

Maybe those were the only things on the ballot for you. You know what wasn't on the ballot for you? The winning issues. Do you know why?

Because to the democrats it was more important to keep arming Israel than forgiving student loans, a $15 minimum wage, universal healthcare, the dramatic rise in the cost of living/drop in quality of life, cleaning up the East Palestine train fiasco, etc.

The hardest I have ever seen democrats fight for something was when Trump was in office. They fought him on everything. I thought that energy would carry over if they won in 2020. It didn't. They let the parliamentarian shut down the party with a penstroke.

It's too late. The DNC is dead. They appealed to corporate and centrist issues. They get called the left, but really they are the center right.

If the democrats really wanted to win and make positive change, they would have chosen Bernie in 2016 and 2020, but they did everything in their power to make sure he lost, prefering to lose to Trump rather than improve the lives of not-rich Americans.

No, she wasn't willing to negotiate a ceasefire. Listen to her. Ironclad with Israel until the end. It's too late for the democrats now.

Under their watch almost all of Gaza is destroyed and 100,000's people dead and displaced. Generations of families and nearly every single hospital, university, school, and mosque destroyed. This is anihilation.

This is what democrats mean when they say they want a ceasefire. They could have stopped it right at the outset, but they choose to say "Israel has a right to defend itself" and continues to arm Israel as it's been slowly genociding them for over a year.

She may have said something about a ceasefire, but just as Biden talked about all of his red lines that Netanyahu blew through, they are just words.

Maybe now she can become a champion for ending the genocide because Trump will be doing it instead.