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US vetoes another UN Security Council resolution seeking Gaza ceasefire (www.middleeasteye.net)

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The measure received 14 votes in favour, with the US the sole member to reject it. However, because the US is a permanent member of the council, it has the ability to veto any resolution brought forward

Unlike several previous resolutions regarding a ceasefire in Gaza, Wednesday's measure was brought forward by all 10 elected members of the Security Council.

The US has vetoed four previous attempts at calling for a ceasefire in Gaza, on most occasions being the lone vote against the measures.

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[+] maplebar@lemmy.world -13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

What does "Palestine will be free from the river to the sea" mean to you?

Any agreement from the Israelis or Palestinians isn't worth its weight in shit.

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

The slogan From the River to the Sea is about Palestinian liberation that started in the 60s by the PLO for a democratic secular state, not Genocide. The Syrian leader Hafez al-Assad in 1966 maybe, but he's not Palestinian.

[+] maplebar@lemmy.world -14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It doesn't matter who it was started by or whether the resultant state was democratic or secular, as it is an open proclamation of an intent to wipe Israel off the map. It doesn't take a geography expert to point out that all of Israel exists between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, does it?

You cannot claim to be anti-genocide if you support wiping Israel off the map.

You cannot claim to support a two-state solution if you support wiping Israel off the map.

Any one-state solution amounts to genocide of the other state, fucking duh.

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

A two state solution is impossible due to the settlements in the West Bank. Only a One-State Solution with equal rights for both Israelis and Palestinians is possible now

Netanyahu is the one who has explicitly said that 'from the river to the sea there shall be only Israeli sovereignty'. A direct reference to the ethnic cleansing of all Palestinians.

Peace Process and Solution

Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution

(Oslo Accord Sources: MEE, NYT, Haaretz, AJ).

How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution

‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe

One State Solution, Foreign Affairs

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

It means unless Israel agrees to a two state solution Palestinians will resist to recapture their stolen land.

Hamas accepts Palestinian state with 1967 borders

[+] maplebar@lemmy.world -7 points 1 month ago

What makes it their land in the first place, some British mandate written by the same people who created the state of Israel?

100 years ago the entire area was part of the Ottoman Empire, both nations of Israel and Palestine are fabrications.

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

The fact that they were living there, as their families have been for generations and generations. What gives Zionists the right to ethnically cleanse and forcibly displace them from their homes?

[+] maplebar@lemmy.world -16 points 1 month ago

You keep posting these propaganda images every day, is it your job or just a hobby?

At any rate, all your image shows is that there was never a Palestinian nation state to begin with. So again, the question remains "what makes it Palestinian land in the first place?"

By your own admission, this region (home to both the original Israelites, Judea, Hebrews, Philistines, and dozens of other nomadic tribes) has been passed around by empire to empire for thousands of years.

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I believe everybody deserves to live a comfortable life. I hate seeing disinformation or bigotry that's used to justify the extermination of a people or normalize their lives under generations of occupation and Apartheid.

Palestinians have been a people for thousands of years. Recent Palestinian Nationalism is an anti-colonialist movement. They were not an explicit nation-state because there was no need before. That in no way justifies ethnic cleansing. If you want the full story, this book covers the four thousand years of history.

First documented in the late Bronze Age, about 3200 years ago, the name Palestine, is the conventional name used between 450 BC and 1948 AD to describe a geographic region between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River and various adjoining lands. This work explores the evolution of the concept, histories, identity, languages and cultures of Palestine from the Late Bronze Age to the modern era.

Moreover, Palestine history is often taught in the West as a history of a land, not as Palestinian history or a history of a people. This book challenges colonial approach to Palestine and the pernicious myth of a land without a people (Masalha 1992, 1997) and argues for reading the history of Palestine with the eyes of the indigenous people of Palestine.

The Palestinians are the indigenous people of Palestine; their local roots are deeply embedded in the soil of Palestine and their autochthonous identity and historical heritage long preceded the emergence of a local Palestinian nascent national movement in the late Ottoman period and the advent of Zionist settler-colonialism before the First World War

Palestine: A Four Thousand Year History - Nur Masalha

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You have to rely on the word nation-state to make your case. A western invented term needed because the West split up a great empire into small pieces.

The argument is like saying "well Washington was never a country."

Furthermore your argument is especially stupid because the Zionists literally said they were going to colonize Palestine.

June 20, 1899 CONFERENCE OF ZIONISTS; Elect Delegates at Their Meeting in Baltimore. WILL COLONIZE PALESTINE

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