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‘Government by the worst’: why people are calling Trump’s new sidekicks a ‘kakistocracy’
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according to computer security experts, the US presidential election was likely hacked via voting software.
The numbers Trump achieved are non-credible.
https://www.planetcritical.com/p/cyber-security-experts-warn-election-hacked
So there is evidence to justify a recount, but will that actually happen? What are the chances?
very little action needs to be taken by the people in those States to convince their secretary of State to do a manual recount, or people in other states to ask their secretary of State to pressure the soss in other states to do a recount.
legislation is often supported or not based on less than 100 people calling into their legislator's office, so the more people calling up their secretaries of state and election officials and demanding a recount, the better.
this is not a baseless accusation, there is hard evidence that Trump's lawyers had voting software, and a historical and statistical and probability that The voters that literally want Trump. the election are real or actually voted.
The likelihood is that those ballots are not there.
with this much actual evidence, there must be a recount.
you should demand it.
call or email your election officials. tell me your state and I'll tell you who to call or email.
I'm in Washington state.
get em, you're a legend.
Contact Info State Elections Division
Email elections@sos.wa.gov
Telephone (360) 902-4180 (800) 448-4881
Fax (360) 664-4619
Mail PO Box 40229 Olympia, WA 98504-0229
https://www2.sos.wa.gov/elections/contactinfo.aspx
Just emailed the link you gave me. I've done what I can. At this time, anyway.
awesome, thank you, it does make a difference.
a manual recount seems in order and not a huge ask.
Democrats will roll over.
The sad thing - even if this were to be true, I bet nothing happens. Just look at Bush v. Gore. Even many so-called Democrats and so-called liberals pretend as if Bush won, that anyone bringing it up is just a sore loser and so on. More recently, we have the Russia and Comey thing when it comes to Hillary.
Even if we later have the smoking gun about this, I bet we still sustain damage from donvict and his buddies in the meantime, and people still act like it's NBD, even if true...
I mean the voting software stolen is undeniably true, since they admitted doing it themselves and there's evidence of Trump's lawyers hiring people to steal the voting software.
nothing might come of it, but I still talk about how W stole his election because his brother was the governor of florida and stopped ballot counting in that state, so if this election was stolen, we might as well have indisputable proof like we have of Florida in 2004.
Ya accidentally put California the first time instead of Florida, theres no way in hell California would elect a Bush mostly cause they are from out of state.
thank you, I was walking down the street and doing speech to text wildly gesticulating and didn't check after I talked, haha
Aight no problem.
Start by contacting the relevant people and demanding a manual recount.
If you can say that you actually tried, and still nothing happened, then you're allowed to wallow in despair.
But you don't get to just skip straight to the despair part without the doing everything you can part. Then the only source of your despair will be you.
First "open letter" is bunk. Second looks a bit more legit. The second cites cause for concern not evidence of an actual hack.
Spoonamore is not a security expert. He’s an attention-seeker who is known for making news with unfounded claims and little else.
If you don't like that guy, you you can look to all the other security experts that are calling for a manual recount.
incidentally, spoonamore isn't known for making that claim every election, he's made it twice, The other time was in 2004 when ballot interference occurred.
Look I’d be happy with a recount. I think they should recount, just to be as sure as possible. What I’m not OK with are conspiracy theories and lies.
I was there in 2004. Lots of conspiracy theories were pumped on the blogs that were ultimately unfounded. If I recall, Stephen’s “expert claim” pertained to Ohio and that claim was spurious.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_United_States_election_voting_controversies
The steal in Florida was real but it came in the form of a phone call, not a software exploit.
these are the facts Jack, and facts don't care if you don't like them.
also, conspiracy does not equal untrue.
a conspiracy is a group of people planning to carry out or carrying out a scheme.
that happens in the real world everyday.
it's fine if you don't like that one guy, ignore that one guy.
Focus on all of the other computer security experts stating that because of trumps lawyers admitting they hired a group to steal voting machine software, and their stated intention to interfere with the election, we should do a manual count to make sure that all the ballots are legitimate.
you can ignore that one guy and listen to all the other scientists you don't have a problem, who you claim to agree with, with who have 19 credible sources supporting the electoral obligation for a manual ballot count.
the article links to two open letters from computer experts and the contents look pretty damning to me.
I don’t know the other names. Just Spoonamore, who is known only for his fake credentials and for crying wolf.
If I’m reading correctly, the evidence is primarily that “the numbers” look too high to Spoonamore. I’m not sure where he gets the “35 billion to 1 probability” from, because he doesn’t show his work anywhere.
Most of these states already hand count samples to verify the machine counts, so it’s weird he says a hand count is needed but hasn’t addressed what supposedly went wrong with the original hand count.
I voted Harris-Walz and have no doubt trump would cheat if he could, but I don’t trust this publication, the author, or the “expert” being interviewed, and the writing style smells like sensationalist drivel cooked up to drive engagement.
i read the open letters linked to in the article which had the info you're asking about if you're actually interested in it.
The second letter is just advising re: the leaked software and suggesting an expanded hand count. It doesn’t offer any “damning” evidence. It doesn’t even claim election interference. And the spoonamore letter is more of the same BS from his interviews and doesn’t answer my questions at all. What am I supposed to see?
Here's my complaint about this. Had trump lost the election, he would be demanding recounts in every possible place as well as launching lawsuits to delay and distract. We KNOW this, since he did it in 2020.
How unreasonable is it, then, that with all the questions raised by both his statements in public (such as "we’ll have it fixed so good you won’t have to vote" regarding 2028) and the statistical anomalies we can't call for a recount in places where things seem amiss? If nothing is found, great, we elect a fascist; but if there was an attack/hack/fraud, then we find it and expose it. We have nothing to lose (we're saving money over a trump loss and recounts everywhere) and Democracy to win.
I'm in a swing state and I definitely checked after the election to see that my ballot was counted. However, I can't see the details as a private citizen, so I can't verify it was tabulated correctly. I'm in NC, where the republican governor candidate was truly repugnant, but trump won by 3.39 points and Josh Stein won by over 14! In fact, more people voted for Stein than Trump. Maybe we could get Mark Robinson to request a recount...
I’m with you, and I don’t see any problem with demanding a recount.
I just don’t like the idea of doing or saying anything simply because the other side would or did. And conspiracy theories tend to spread rapidly online among those who have the incentive to believe, devolving into unidimensional “for us or against us“ advocacy wars.
It’s sort of like being at a counter-protest and trying to stop someone on your side from assaulting someone on the other side. They look at you in disbelief “whose side are you on anyway?” And the only thing you know is that this isn’t how you want to win.