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Germany records rise in violence against women
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54% of men in Germany are victims of intimate partner violence. Source (in German)
From your link (translated), the men in the survey didn't seem to engage in whataboutism:
I don't think much changed in the overall pattern, in another (also German) study what five years ago I read an absolutely overwhelming number of domestic violence constellations is mutual, provided psychological violence is taken into account, bluntly said assholes hook up with assholes. And lesbian couples have a higher rate than heteros who have a higher rate than gay men.
I do think the whole current approach to addressing the issue is fundamentally flawed: Aggression is not particularly gendered, though expresses itself in gendered ways, we have to un-fuck the psychology of people overall. Long story short we need to eat the rich to take the pressure off, then, once people have a breather many will fix themselves, and the rest will be in a state where putting them on the couch actually has a chance of success. Hard to drain a swamp while you're fighting off crocodiles.
It's worth noting that these acts may be "violence" in someone's estimation, but are not within the typical description of "violent crime" or "domestic violence" in a criminal sense.
Insults are a crime over here as-is, and generally speaking psychological violence can be prosecuted as assault as long as the impact reaches the level of bodily injury. E.g. driving someone into depression is assault.
But you're right the laws are insufficient in this regard: While e.g. cutting off hair is considered a bodily injury, a thing which is neither crippling nor permanent nor painful, the standard applied to psychological violence requires lasting, grave, impact, and thus victims have a very hard time getting justice.
And, of course, all of this isn't helped by psychological violence often simply not being considered violence by the median citizen. We need a culture shift in that regard.
It's worth nothing that these acts may be "violence" in someone's estimation, but are not within the typical description of "violent crime" or "domestic violence".
If it's actually an important issue to you, why make your grand stand in the comments section of a post talking about a different issue
In all fairness, reactions like yours are probably a reason why. Look, the MGTOW and incels should just fuck off already..
In this case the subject is related, and a 45/55 split is way less than the disparity in media coverage would have everyone believe.
The original comment you responded to could have been more helpful to ask for more attention for Domestic Violence in general. But something tells me it would have been met with similar responses.
Alienating, and ignoring the issues men have that possibly even are a root cause for their instability that leads to DV is also helping women.. maybe even more. This is like how poverty creates crime.. not ethnicity. It is much more of a class issue than a gender causes violence/victimization issue...
The issue is mentioned in the text accompanying the post:
I wish ‘activists’ would finally stop asking which gender the victim belongs to first in their fight against violence.
This is a fallacy that's been deconstructed so many fucking times the fact im about to do it again for you makes my tummy hurt a little bit but ill do it anyways
You're interpreting that quote as there being either one issue we can globally engage in, or another. But that's not how it is. You could also go into any thread talking about violence against dogs, or violence against the elderly, or against Palestinians, and make the same annoying pointless whataboutism and you wouldn't technically be incorrect that violence against men is just as valid, but you'd still receive backlash every time. Why? Because you're using this issue that's near to your heart, violence against men, and instead of engaging with it in an honest attempt to improve the situation, you're simply weaponizing it against others and their cherished social issues to the benefit of literally nobody.
You put activist in quotes but let me ask you, what op eds have you written? What charities have you donated to, nonprofits have you volunteered for? How many bricks have you thrown? I guarantee you none, because every single time I see someone doing the shit you're doing, it's the extent of their "activism," and THATS where the quotation marks belong, on your shit, not anyone else's.
I can both engage in the issue and try to point out bigotry about it online. The sheer fact that the post only talks about “violence against women” instead of “violence itself” makes comments like mine necessary, I’m afraid. It’s saddening to see that not all violence is condemned with the same energy by some.
No sorry, it doesn't make comments like yours necessary and if you want to know why scroll up and read again
What makes these kinds of comments necessary is uneven media coverage.
You cannot look at a situation where the split is 45/55 max, probably non-existent when including psychological violence, and it's reported in a 95/5 fashion, and then say "Nono you can't mention the 5 in the context of the 95 you're taking away attention". Check your privilege. All you're doing here is obfuscating the issue, reinforcing the eternal female victim vs. eternal male perpetrator narrative which do I need to mention it is not just essentialist AF but provably wrong (again: 45/55).
This is why the average women doesn't want to have anything to do with card-carrying feminism: Because they're not sexist, and feminism by and large has failed to address its internal sexism problem, opting instead for institutionalised cattiness. Which the average women prefers just as much as the average man prefers to get into a fistfight: Neither do. Chillax.
Now imagine what you'd sound like if my brick hits a woman lmao
I don't even know what you're trying to say
You obviously don't give a shit enough to become an activist for your own opinions, otherwise you'd be out there too. Instead you're here hijacking unrelated threads for it. You probably just get off on online controversy like so many other useless trolls.
No, you are wrong. However, it is perfectly reasonable to be an activist and still post on social media sometimes.
Also no.
You're the kind of person that tells someone that got shot that you also stubbed your toe last week and it hurt really bad too.
Have you tried to make your point without comparing the people first? It could help.
Man this is, I am pretty sure, the most irony laden post I've seen on Lemmy.