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On Monday, X filed an objection in The Onion’s bid to buy InfoWars out of bankruptcy. In the objection, Elon Musk’s lawyers argued that X has “superior ownership” of all accounts on X, that it objects to the inclusion of InfoWars and related Twitter accounts in the bankruptcy auction, and that the court should therefore prevent the transfer of them to The Onion. 

The legal basis that X asserts in the filing is not terribly interesting. But what is interesting is that X has decided to involve itself at all, and it highlights that you do not own your followers or your account or anything at all on corporate social media, and it also highlights the fact that Elon Musk’s X is primarily a political project he is using to boost, or stifle, specific viewpoints and help his friends. In the filing, X’s lawyers essentially say—like many other software companies, and, increasingly, device manufacturers as well—that the company’s terms of service grant X’s users a “license” to use the platform but that, ultimately, X owns all accounts on the social network and can do anything that it wants with them.

“Few bankruptcy courts have addressed the issue of ownership of social media accounts, and those courts that have were focused on whether an individual or the individual’s employer owned an account used for business purposes—not whether the social media company had a superior right of ownership over either the individual or the corporation,” Musk’s lawyers write. 

The case Musk’s lawyers are referencing here is Vital Pharm’s bankruptcy case, in which a supplement company filed for bankruptcy and the court decided that the Twitter and Instagram accounts @BangEnergyCEO, which were primarily used by its CEO Jack Owoc to promote the brand, were owned by the company, not Owoc. The court determined that the accounts were therefore part of the bankruptcy and could not be kept by Owoc.

Except in exceedingly rare circumstances like the Vital Pharm case, the transfer of social media accounts in bankruptcy from one company to another has been routine. When VICE was sold out of bankruptcy, its new owners, Fortress Investment Group, got all of VICE’s social media accounts and YouTube pages. X, Google, Meta, etc did not object to this transfer because this sort of thing happens constantly and is not controversial. (It should be noted that social media companies regularly do try to prevent the sale of social media accounts on the black market. But they do not usually attempt to block the sale of them as part of the sale of companies or in bankruptcy.)

But in this InfoWars case, X has decided to inject itself into the bankruptcy proceedings. Jones has signaled that Musk has done this in order to help him, and his tweet about it has gone incredibly viral. On a stream of his show after the filing, Jones called this “a major breaking Monday evening news alert that deals with the First Amendment and the people's fight to reclaim our country from the clutches of the globalists.”

"Elon Musk X Corp entered the case with a lawsuit within it to defend the right of X to not have private handles of people like Alex Jones stripped away. It violates the 13th Amendment against slavery, there are many issues. Today they filed a major brief in the case,” Jones said. “Elon Musk’s X comes to Alex Jones’ defense against democrat attempts to steal Jones’ X identity.”

Musk famously unbanned Jones, then appeared on the same Twitter Spaces broadcast with him. Musk has also tweeted occasionally that he believes The Onion is not funny. Jones, meanwhile, has been ranting and raving about some sort of conspiracy that he believes led a judge via the Deep State to sell InfoWars to The Onion at auction. 

X calls itself “the sole owner” of X accounts, and states that it “does not consent” to the sale of the InfoWars accounts, as doing so would “undermine X Corp.’s rightful ownership of the property it licenses to Free Speech Systems [InfoWars], Jones, or any other account holder on the X platform.” Again, X accounts are transferred in bankruptcy all the time with no drama and with no objection from X.

“Looming over the framework [in the Vital Pharm case] was the undeniable reality that social media companies, like X Corp., are the only parties that have truly exclusive control over users’ accounts,” the lawyers write. “X CORP. OWNS THE X ACCOUNTS.”

That a corporate social media company says it owns the social media accounts on its service is probably not surprising. Meta, Twitter, Google, LinkedIn, and ByteDance have run up astronomical valuations by more or getting people to fill their platforms with content for free, and have created and destroyed countless businesses, business models, and industries with their constantly-shifting algorithms and monetization strategies. But to see this fact outlined in such stark terms in a court document makes clear that, for human beings to seize any sort of control over their online lives, we must move toward decentralized, portable forms of social media and must move back toward creating and owning our own platforms and websites.

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[-] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Im curious which countries require Steam reimburse you if they cancel your account. That feels like something that'd be talked about a lot more.

Edit: the answer provided is None.

[-] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 3 points 4 weeks ago

Not that example specifically, but Steam got in big trouble with Australia's consumer commission for their refund policy. You know how Steam refunds are so permissive these days? It's because in 2016, Valve had to pay 3 million dollars to Australia for lying to customers about the refund policy and were forced to improve their game. One country can make a big difference to your consumer rights, even if you don't live there.

[-] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 1 points 4 weeks ago

None of that pertains to steam removing/banning your account and you getting reimbursed for it.

[-] dan@upvote.au 2 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

In Australia at least, if you buy a product or service but can't use it in the intended way, that's considered a "major failure" and they'd need to provide a refund. Not sure how well it'd apply for games you've had for a very long time though.

[-] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 1 points 4 weeks ago

If steam cancels your account, what reimbursement do they give you?

[-] dan@upvote.au 1 points 4 weeks ago

Not sure - don't think I know anyone in Australia who has had their Steam account cancelled.

[-] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

So what you claimed was nonsense with no truth to it. Thanks... 👍

[-] dan@upvote.au 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

That's like saying "You haven't been stabbed, so you saying people go to jail for getting stabbed is noncense with no truth to it".. Just because I haven't had it happen to me doesn't mean I don't know what the law is. Companies that operate in Australia have to comply with Australian law.

[-] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

What? You have gone from saying that there are countries that will reimburse you for what you have on your account when they cancel the account, to idk but AU we have something that's actually nothing like that, to if you get stabbed you have to comply with Australian law.

Your just making shit up as you go along.
All I wanted to know was an example of your first claim.

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