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Revealed: The operators behind four major neo-Nazi X accounts
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Through reviewing posts on X, web archives, leak databases, and other social media profiles, the Observer identified the following individuals as the anonymous operators of neo-Nazi X accounts, which had a collective 500,000 followers at their peak:
Cyan Cruz (40 years old): Marketing professional who has lived in Austin and Amarillo, Texas, operating the X account TheOfficial1984.
Michael Gramer (42 years old): Retired mechanical engineer who has lived in New Hampshire, claimed to own a house in Galveston, Texas, and spent time in Dallas, operating the X account 9mm_SMG.
Robert “Bobby” Thorne (35 years old): Vice president at JP Morgan Chase in Plano, Texas, operating the account Noble1945 and previously Noble_x_x_.
John Anthony Provenzano (30 years old): Lives in Virginia, works at the Naval Surface Warfare Center in Indian Head, Maryland, and operates the X account utism_ (formerly JohnnyBullzeye).
Think any of them will get fired or face legal issues for this? Pretty sure the naval one will have a bad time.
The guy working the naval shipyard might get got if he's part of a Nazi club. SF86 is a questionnaire required for a security clearance. Section 29 asks if you've committed an act of terror or are associated with groups dedicated to restricting constitutional rights of citizens or overthrowing the government.
If nothing else, lying on a federal form is a federal crime.
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Sir we have a president elect out as a Nazi.
Not a sir, I'm not too sure about that.
Chase-Manhattan Bank Known today as JP Morgan Chase, the Chase Manhattan Bank has a spotty history with Nazi Germany.
Notably, during the buildup of the Third Reich, Chase-Manhattan (with a handful of other US banks) aided the Nazis by helping them raise $20 million for a dollar exchange, a commission from which the bank profited $500,000
They did it when it was popular and profitable the first time, and they are a business.
I didn't mean it that way friend, more of a hi hungry I'm dad kind of way. The not sure about that was more of a general reply to what you had said, but in retrospect, I can see it being read the way you read it. I'll be conscious of that next time.
Quick aside, that original Sir was also supposed to be a sir this is a Wendy's thing
I hope you are right though, we don't need more Nazis.
Just to be clear. Vice President is a title one step above Associate. There are tens of thousands of vice presidents there and at most other banks. It doesn't mean he has any authority in the company.
Which also means its just bad press to have their name associated with him, and its unlikely they will have the slightest concern about terminating his employment over this - other than using it to say "We won't tolerate this".
Without question. This guy is not important and nobody will protect him. Most people don't realize that banks hand out that particular title like candy. When I worked at JPMC, I was an associate (nobody important) and my manager was a vice president. There were 7 levels of management between me and the CIO.
Yup, and I think it may be even more of a gap now, there are a few other titles up to even MD at this point (if my rough count is accurate), which still has a few levels to go to the c suite.
He's nothing in the hierarchy, I doubt he'd be there by next week.
It was probably more than that when I was there and I'm just misremembering the org chart, it was some time ago.
Maybe, but they also keep adding intermediate levels it seems like.
I dont work there just to mention, I just have to work with them (and many other similar companies). I keep seeing new titles over the years. Could have already been there of course, but some people seem to be doing the same job with a new title and no other changes.
If this story gets widespread and sustained attention I bet the JP Morgan VP is done for. Not that they have a problem with that sort of thing if he had kept it quiet, but having it come out could cost them some money and he's not important enough for that.
The Naval warfare centre guy and JP Morgan chase guy for sure. Especially if people shine some more light on this and bring it to the attention of their employers.
You gotta love it that someone with the last name "Cruz" is a neo nazi wannabe