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Why CEOs should apologize more often for their screwups
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If you mean by vigilantism, that's a good way to get innocent people murdered. Unless you know some foolproof way for every random person out there who decides to take the law into their own hands to only kill the guilty. Good luck with that considering the history of "internet sleuths."
Innocent people are already getting murdered. At least one murderer has now been held accountable that otherwise wouldn’t have. That’s a net positive to me so far.
I mean, it’s easy to find the c-suite and board of directors of any company.
It's also easy to mistake one person for another. It's happened over and over and over again. People with the same name as someone else get harassed because they get doxxed and the harassers don't bother checking.
You must know this. How many times have we seen it played out now?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/25/vigilante-paedophile-hunters-online-police
https://ethics.org.au/why-are-people-stalking-the-real-life-humans-behind-baby-reindeer/
https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2017/08/17/543980653/kyle-quinn-hid-at-a-friend-s-house-after-being-misidentified-on-twitter-as-a-rac
This poor guy killed himself over it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Sunil_Tripathi
And now we've added assassination into the mix.
Do you really think this is going to end without any innocent blood spilled?
Edit: It's also not hard to convince a bunch of people some random person is an evil CEO just by doxxing them. Like I said, people don't bother checking.
lol. These people are recognizable. You need to go to a lot of effort to locate and plan that. It’s highly unlikely anyone would “mistake” them for someone else. That’s like someone saying “I thought I was aiming at Elon Musk, at his house, but it turns out he has a doppelgänger who lives next door!”
Really unlikely. Did you used to be a fed?
Please show me the odds. I assume you've calculated them. Because I gave you a ton of examples of the wrong person being identified, including people who the vigilante thinks were a totally different person but they looked like the person they wanted to attack.
And I would like to know, like I asked someone else, where your line is. Is it okay if someone bombs a CEO in the middle of a city and a bunch of people around them die? If the CEO is with their family including an infant when they are attacked, is it okay if the infant is killed too?
No, we have a pretty good example of how to do it. Patience, low powder shells, home made silencer. Just don’t buy Starbucks or take a cab without changing clothes somewhere haha. Perhaps a prosthetic nose or a mustache.
You’re going to the worst case, when that’s pretty unlikely. Who has a bomb?! lol. It’s guns. Single target. Simple.
Again, you sound like a fed.
Insulting me doesn't tell me where the line is.
The line is check your target, get them alone, and just them. That’s a fuck ton more than they do when they indiscriminately kill thousands of people by denying valid claims. They’re getting off easy.
So, you ever had a job in law enforcement of any kind?
Why do you assume everyone wanting to do this vigilante thing will do that?
I've played this game before. If I say no, you'll just claim I'm lying about it.
And it's really silly to assume someone works or ever worked in law enforcement because they have seen a lot of vigilantes attack or kill the wrong person. Believe it or not, I just think that's why vigilantism is a bad thing. You make a lot of silly assumptions.
But sure, I was totally in law enforcement.
Obviously this is an invented persona covering up my undercover police activites. Me and James Acaster. Curses, you found me out! I'm going to have to go back to the station and get a new mustache now.
People just want school shooters to update their targeting algos...
But funny how we don't have these moral discussions when school shootings happen though
Hmm
Everyone seems to agree that school shootings shouldn't happen, but Americans have been fed a steady diet of vigilante superhero myths since the creation of Superman in the 1930s and too many of them want to be their own Batman or Punisher.
You are missing the point of what the people want.
They don't want a super hero, he is just useful here.
People want for ruling class to listen and adjsit course. They are not getting it.
This got their attention and people are driving the point home. If they keep up their policies, when they get gunned down, we didn't see nothing.
This the country the built for us. They love social Darwinism so why shouldn't they face natural selection.
People want to be superheroes. Do you think this guy is going to be the only one who decides to take the law into their own hands? Do you think everyone who does is going to get the person they intend to get and never make a mistake?
As our dearest elites like to do, I am willing to face these risks.
That's the risk of living in a degerate society where you are unable to get redress from the government or ruling class.
It is a class war which is inherently an asymmetric engagement. I am part of the working class so I can't in good faith condemn this man.
And there it is- it's okay with you if innocent people die as long as guilty people also die.
That really doesn't make you much better than the CEOs who also don't care if innocent people die.
Innocent people die for no reason under current arrangement everyday.
Best we get is some fake Pearl clutch about how unfortunate it is along with thoughts and prayers bullshit.
But you want people reading this exchange to worry about proverbial innocent person who might die if keep praising the shooter for a job well done?
Again, you clearly don't understand what this is about or refuse to for whatever reason.
Americans got unified here... Do you wonder what would make normal people feel their way?
"They kill innocent people, so it's okay if we kill innocent people" is not the moral argument you think it is.
Yes. Yes I do. Because I pay attention to what happens when vigilantes find the wrong person.
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna11125863
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Ahmaud_Arbery
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Trayvon_Martin
https://6abc.com/archive/6851290/
https://calexicochronicle.com/2024/03/04/was-unhoused-calexico-man-victim-of-misplaced-vigilante-justice/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Sunil_Tripathi
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/innocent-man-attacked-by-vigilantes-in-berks-county/1956640/
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/huddersfield-man-exposed-paedophile-vigilante-28827889?int_source=nba#ltu4r69lxj0y7dl07mn
https://www.the-sun.com/news/2928387/vigilante-family-including-teen-19-shoots-neighbor-dead/
https://www.news9.com/story/5e3650792f69d76f62067d32/victim-of-mistaken-identity-vigilante-attack-in-tulsa-still-shaken-up
Something tells me you wouldn't be so willing to have someone misidentify and then attack or kill you or someone you care about. But it's okay when it's an innocent stranger, right?
I wouldn't be willing to have my health insurance claims denied but here we are
You are entitled to your opinion and each American make up their own minds
That does not address a single thing I said. Don't change the subject. I was talking about vigilantism, not insurance claims.
Your bloodlust for killing the innocent when it is "necessary" is noted.
How many innocent people it is acceptable to kill per CEO? 1? 10? 100? 1000? What's the maximum number here you'll accept? How about if someone throws a bomb on top of a CEO in the middle of a city and it kills everyone around him? Acceptable? What if the CEO is with their baby at the time and the baby gets shot too? Fine to shoot a baby as long as the CEO dies?
I want to know where your line is, but I have a feeling you'll try to change the subject again rather than respond.
We've reached an impasse, readers can make up their own minds on this topic.
I knew you wouldn't tell me where the line was.
I can only assume you're fine with a baby getting gunned down in the service of your war.
Are you doing Israel's beheaded babies trick to win an online argument?
Unhinged
No. I am not. Nice try attempting to paint me as a Zionist though. You wouldn't be the first to try that nonsense.