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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlottesville_car_attack
Life without the possibility of parole. They're full of shit, if you do it deliberately it's no different to any other weapon.
Checks username
Ummm...
He stopped worrying.
It's pretty strange… Love the username, though.
They used to defend universalmonk, judge them by that
Your example is weak because they did a hate crime, which this would not have been. Do you have a better one?
My point is, you don't get away with killing someone just because you used a car to do so, and I think that proves my point.
Feel free to come up with some evidence of your own.
Getting away is not the point, the point is a lighter sentence.
Didn't work for the example above, did it?
Well, technically this seems to have been a hate crime as well - just not of a "protected class" (which I'm sure is a "shortcoming" of the law that they'll get "addressed").
Technically, hate crimes consist of crime because of innate properties of an individual (+religion), which again this isn't. No doubt they'll codify something special for the rich soon, but still not a hate crime.
It's that religion exception that belies the idea that it's solely about qualities of a person that they have no control over. Beliefs are beliefs, regardless if they're related to religion or capitalism.
"Capitalist" isn't a protected class, and I don't think that hate crime legislation is very strong in the US in any case.
I'm aware it's not a protected class - that was the point of my initial comment. But your rebuttal implied "hate crimes" were defined as those based upon properties of a person they had no control over - with a major caveat for religion as well. My point was if you can include something a person chooses to believe as an additional exception, then that opens up an extremely wide swath of possible exceptions.
Don't get me wrong - I'm not arguing against the inclusion of religion, just saying that the inclusion can be used to crowbar in any number of other "classes" to be protected as well simply because they're based upon beliefs.
I'm a different commenter.
Makes no difference to my point.
Of course but at least there’s the possibility of it being an accident. Absent other proof, such as that possession of a manifesto, you can quite possibly get away with it
On the other hand there’s no way to spin as an accident that you walked up behind someone and shot them
It would be a difficult argument to make if you ran them over on the sidewalk though.
It's not the weapon, it's the plausible deniability.
What do you mean, isn't guns like play things for everyone starting age 3?