Discussion about ClubsAll (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 2 weeks ago by kersploosh@sh.itjust.works to c/main@sh.itjust.works

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Hello, sh.itjust.works community. I am curious what you think about ClubsAll, and whether you think we should stay federated with them. A few other Lemmy instances have recently defederated so this seems like a timely topic for discussion.

In short, ClubsAll is an ActivityPub-compatible Reddit clone. The site currently has one-way federation with no attribution: ClubsAll pulls content from Lemmy and displays it as local ClubsAll content. For example, you can visit https://clubsall.com/c/196 and there is no indication that the content is from https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/c/196.

Here are relevant posts with more information and context:

General discussion: Let's talk about ClubsAll (the ClubsAll founder left comments in this post)
Recent update to that general discussion: As a reminder, ClubsAll is still showing all of Lemmy's content without federating back

In the first post the ClubsAll founder commented that they plan to eventually have two-way federation, and to make the project open source. Whether those things actually happens is anyone's guess.

What do you think?

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[-] vinay_clubsall@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Hello @baggachipz@sh.itjust.works are there some documented rules of federation that I am missing? Please point me.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago

rules of federation that I am missing

If you federate content in, federate your own content out

[-] vinay_clubsall@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

This is based on what feels fair to you and not a documented rule. The issue is that everyone has their own version of what is fair - federate out, self hosted, open source, attribution, usernames shown in particular way, exemption (or no exemption) for smaller sites based on time or traffic and so on.

In any case, this is a goal we are working towards. As we discussed before, this will be done before ClubsAll has any meaningful traffic.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago

But, to be honest, what I am bothered by, is the fact that the website doesn’t give an attribution in the UI about which instance certain users are from and which instance certain certain community are from.

https://slrpnk.net/comment/12723802

blocked for technical reason: scraper.

https://moist.catsweat.com/m/fediverse@lemmy.world/t/670763/-/comment/5352039

My concern in this is the integrity of the fediverse and its users. Yours, apparently, is “saving” a platform that leeches content off federated platforms to make a buck off those users. I don’t see much chance of agreement on “what is fair”.

https://kbin.earth/m/fediverse@lemmy.world/t/741461/-/comment/4153987

Can’t have it both ways of leeching the posts from other large instances while simultaneously making it an exclusive club where only local users can participate, it goes contrary to the social contract and spirit of the Fediverse.

https://lemmy.ca/comment/13413542

[-] vinay_clubsall@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

A few others have expressed concerns with attribution. So as suggested we will be changing username from /u/xyz to /u/xyz@domain.com . I hope that addresses your concern.

As you know, the comments are federated. Also, our development was blocked due to sublinks development being blocked. Also as I mentioned elsewhere we have 10 users with no posts, so users are missing out on exactly 0 posts. I am not having it both ways. At present we are sharing what we have (comments and 0 posts).

Also, we are working on making it better. I agree definition of fairness varies, but giving some time to new instances, especially the ones who are developing from scratch, is fairly reasonable. Let's say average 1 comment a day (i.e. 30 comments a month) can be seen by everyone (as we are federating) and is a very basic ask without hurting any other instances in community.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 2 points 5 days ago

If you fix the attribution, that would probably be good enough for a lot of people.

In the meantime, be ready for this kind of posts every 2-3 months.

this post was submitted on 13 Dec 2024

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