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The myth of consensual peace
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this post was submitted on 19 Dec 2024
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Hey Russia is more than welcome to go back home any day and they there will be peace.
Like blaming a strike on the workers. "Stupid workers picketing for better wages!". Distraction tactic. Management can pay a fair wage and it will be over tonight.
Russia can go home and there would be peace tomorrow
That's about as likely to happen as Israel fucking off from Palestine. So where does that leave us?
Shooting Russians I guess.
No idea, I'll leave that to others, but I'll say that this meme is about as laughable as Israel saying Palestine is causing all the violence. I'll concede that Palestine started this specific thing, but no where nearly the magnitude that Israel retaliated with. (And even that's debatable). I'm just sick of these places trying to swap the narrative. No, if you want peace, you can achieve that today! Just... Stop the aggression and done! It's over!
What specifically are you referring to with the "debatable" part at the end there?
Political infant detected, opinions rightfully discarded. History did not begin in 2022 or 2023.
Russia can go wherever they want and the problem won't be resolved. It's not about what countries are involved in Ukraine, it's about why countries feel the need to go there in the first place. Ukraine, like Haiti, Syria, and Sudan - to name a few more - is a site of inter-capitalist rivalry
You can get peace - sure - but the Ukrainian economy will be subjugated to whoever the 'victor' is. You can argue that economic integration reduces conflict and wars, but what will remain is a sort of neo-colonial relationship; or a dependency of sorts. That's what I have an issue with.
But that is the only realistic outcome - that exact economic dependency on one power or another (whether that be the US, the EU, or even Russia, or even a mixture, say, for instance, the EU+US or EU+Russia)
There are no liberationary movements in Ukraine to my knowledge, just a reactionary military regime where political rights have been greatly reduced, even by liberal standards for governance. It is exceptionally rare that a country caught between two capitalist rivals gets the ability to form their own sovereign and independent liberation
No it wouldn't, delusional as usual from libs. Ukraine was bombing Donbas from 2015, killing upwards of 14k people.
This was after the Minsk II accords where they negotiated, which is very reminiscent of the Israeli tactics in Lebanon of announcing a ceasefire and insisting only your opponent abide by it. It's reminiscent because that's the standard US client tactic, which they implement with complicity from the media knowing libs treat contradictory evidence as propaganda.
You know a great way they could stop that from happening? Exiting the country they invaded.
R*ddit is down the hall and to the right
Did your script get jammed? They were bombing Donbas in violation of the peace deal for years after Russians had already exited the country.
If the US insists on its clients violating brokered agreements, they shouldn't be surprised when others don't trust their word.
Got it. So for that instance, a great way to have peace would for be for them not to do that.
A great way to have peace right now would be for Russia to leave. Like a great way for there to have peace would be for everyone to just.... Have peace. Easy peasy.
Christ, I can get more intelligent conversation from a 7 year old anywhere in the world than a western adult I stg. It's like talking to Matt Miller.
Correct! The way to get peace really is so simple that a 7 year old could have thought of it!
Y'all can't even fucking read lmao not even pretending you found a gotcha, just doing madlibs with a word or two you found in the comment.
No wonder it's so easy to propagandize you.
If everyone around you disagrees with you, maybe it's time to be open to the posibility that you are wrong?
Nah, I base my opinion around the evidence. If the consensus of the US and Western Europe was what drove my opinion, I'd have been in favor of killing Gaddafi, invading Iraq, torturing Asians in Vietnam, bombing Iran, and all other sorts of monstrous shit.
I'll wait for y'all to pretend you were always on the fence or against but simultaneously there was no way of knowing, since only the tankies were saying it and we know we can't trust those.
Your boos mean nothing; I've seen what makes you cheer
give it time and you'll see how reality makes us all aware
everyone else has work to do to put food on the table; we can't respond as quickly.
I think the Twitter bots would happily agree with you, but you don't have much support to collect from here.