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The bill just "includes" the provision? Nobody put it there, it's just that new language often spontaneously erupts in a piece of legislation?
And why the vague language of "limits access to gender-affirming care services". What's actually in the bill is no more complex and a lot more clear. Are psychological gender-affirming services still available? Yep. Are puberty blocking drugs still covered? Yep. All that's blocked is coverage for procedures that might result in sterilization - procedures that are already not generally done on minors who arguably aren't yet capable of giving proper consent.
Tell the whole story or GTFO. Debating Biden's complicity is fine, but don't skip the Republican's role with the passive voice like you're CNN describing how more violence just "erupted" in Gaza. Don't hide what's actually in the bill and potentially cause trans kids to not bother seeking medical services because they were misled by your hack politics.
This is not legitimate outrage at the legislation. If it were, you wouldn't have left out the main protagonists, what's actually in the legislation, and the entire story. It's just mastebetory outrage bait meant to divide the left which is (surprise) the entire reason Republicans forced the issue to begin with.
If you're not already a right wing troll, you should go find the people who pay money for posting this kind of garbage.
Not true. HRT is prescribed to trans minors frequently. Otherwise their bones would be fucked, as you can't safely live on just blockers for many years. And HRT can cause sterilization.
I've been upset about restricting care. But if what you're saying is true, then it's VERY different from how it's been portrayed.
That's because IT'S NOT TRUE. Procedures "that could result in sterilization" could apply to anything the controlling administration wants it to apply to. It's rare and is influenced by long-term usage, but at least some scientists believe HRT can result in sterilization. And the UK just banned new prescriptions for puberty blockers for trans kids only because they have a shitty report that says the science isn't settled about side effects and it could (they claim) result in sterilization. And we can point out that's not true and it's extremely safe and 99 out of 100 doctors agree, but they'll give the 1 doctor a megaphone and say as long as it's not clear we need to ban them.
These fucking minimizers always more worried about outrage being faked than the harms being caused. "Hey, black people, stop with this 'masturbatory outrage' they're just going to give you your own separate but equal facilities."
The reporting has been mixed on the language around sterilization, but the more detailed coverage describes the restrictions that way. Other coverage just says things like "coverage restrictions on some gender affirming care". In any case, I expect Republicans to make the deal worse over time if they can.
Trans people and LGBTQ magazines aren't drumming up "illegitimate outrage" for Democratic complicity in passing anti-trans legislation. They had veto power in both the Senate and the White House and let it sail right through because it was easier for them.
And I've definitely edited out the personal attacks for posting such an offensive comment. But you certainly goddamned deserve them.
Any outrage at Democrats' latest betrayal is always illegitimate to the centrists who consider all betrayal overdue.
My comments were mostly directed at the summary, although a couple criticisms apply to the article as well. As I said, it's legitimate to discuss how complicit Biden is, and you can add the Senate to that as well. The problem is doing it in the context of incomplete and misleading information about what was actually in the bill, who put it there, and why. Such a discussion does more harm than good in the ways that I explained.
The bit at the end was perhaps over the top, but it's not wrong that this kind of reaction against the Democrats is exactly why the Republicans put it in the bill.
You weren't privy to the negotiations, so your commentary that Democrats just passed it because it was "easier" is entirely speculation. Stating that as fact is something I consider offensive. It also didn't just "sail right through". The negotiations took months, and the negotiations on such a bill don't end until the votes are known. The actual process of calling the vote is irrelevant. I criticize Democrats myself, but not for things I just make up in my head.
OH WELL THAT'S OK THEN.
Hey, I've got an idea MAYBE FIGHT TO REMOVE IT FROM THE BILL THEN. "They made a really damaging modification, oh well, guess we just have to take our (well earned) beatings then, we've tried nothing and we're all out of options."
And fuck you Out magazine isn't blowing things out of proportion to harm the Democrats. The HRC, GLAAD, and ACLU aren't just making up things in their head. Your capitulating ass doesn't get to decide when LGBTQ people are allowed to get upset at the representatives they support and voted for throwing them under the bus. YOU, who is postulating on complex negotiations behind closed doors that tried their best but simply couldn't find a way to say "that's unacceptable" are the one who is actually making things up.
We know they didn't remove it from the bill. We don't know that they didn't fight to remove it from the bill. We do know that they objected and negotiated it down for what it originally was. We also know that passing no bill would be worse, even for any children impacted by the coverage restrictions.
My comments were directed at the summary more than the article. The article does have some of the same flaws though.
I hope they are clear eyed about who is responsible. I don't think it likely that they would blame Democrats and ignore the Republicans who pushed it.
I made no objection to anyone being upset. It absolutely sucks that this was included and I'll fight right along side you to get it changed. We should all be upset. But, we are in a split power situation with the Democrats seriously weakened after the election. That's going to have consequences, and I'm afraid this was the tip of the iceberg. No President with a split Congress has ever been able to control everything in every piece of legislation they sign. That's just not reality.
Postulating that negotiations happened, or what happened in those negotiations? We know the negotiations happened, and we know that early drafts were worse on this and other Republican culture war issues. Beyond that, I don't claim to know anything, but you seem to. It was you who postulated that they didn't try to remove it.
Maybe in the near future we'll learn something about the negotiations that will change my opinion. Maybe the Democrats traded this to the Republicans in exchange for more pork for blue states or more bombs for Israel. Are you aware of any such dealings?
Oh my god you fucking apologists. Every assumption of Democrats giving 110% good faith efforts with NO EVIDENCE they did so and the temerity to act offended that they receive flak for failing. They had veto points all along the path. They had an amendment to remove it that wasn't even voted for. They had a broad array of civil rights organizations tell them to stand up for one of the most vulnerable populations in the entire country. And Biden for sure had no excuse because he was a single decision point. This isn't "make M4A happen by executive fiat" it's "maintain the status quo". That was entirely within their power. They just didn't want to.
HRC, GLAAD, and ACLU aren't the problem. The "white moderates" with every excuse for why the minorities must sacrifice and backsliding is actually peak performance are.
Exactly. This headline could also have easily been "Republicans hold government funding hostage to force first federal anti-LGBTQ legislation in nearly 30 years."
Oh fuck the cope is so strong here. How do you clean the shit off your nose after licking so much fascist ass?
they just deny its even there. They think as long as you're a dem you're fighting the good fight, and doing the wrong things for a few years (like making a far right wing genocide happen) is all just temporary and for good reasons. And if you call them on it the fault is on you.
Other opinions not welcome apparently.
To be clear, I am for LGBTQ+ rights. I don’t exactly understand why everyone is annoyed at this article then.
You don't understand why people would be upset by legislation that limits the freedoms of a group of people based on their gender identity?
Especially when it's kids and health care?
Are you new to the human race?